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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(parent post tried to abolish blame and called out the grandparent post as the issue, hence why the lack of continuation) I don't, you messed up! The fact that you're actually incentivising contributors to make PRs of any quality and without standards, whilst forcing the burden on to maintainers (without reward) and you do very little (no tutorials about how to make quality PRs, no standards information on what compr…

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/hacktoberfe...

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#202

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

I can understand Hindi well enough to skim the video, which I just did. The impression I got was that this person was an enthusiastic YouTuber with somewhat good intentions: “get free swag”, “learn how to open a pull request which you’ll need to know how to do”, “if your pull request is garbage it’ll get rejected and you won’t get credit”. The issue was that he picked some random repository and made a useless change…

I am curious, when you say there is very little guidance what do you mean? To me in some european states there is zero guidance in IT, or what exactly do you mean.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#203
post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(parent post tried to abolish blame and called out the grandparent post as the issue, hence why the lack of continuation) I don't, you messed up! The fact that you're actually incentivising contributors to make PRs of any quality and without standards, whilst forcing the burden on to maintainers (without reward) and you do very little (no tutorials about how to make quality PRs, no standards information on what compr…

https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/hacktoberfe...

This isn't highlighted high enough, and the lack of what makes a good PR that shows new contributors the best way forward isn't shown enough.

Yet I standby my statement, you're not blameless here.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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post #159
post #25

I have a couple of vaguely popular repos on github (~100,000 downloads a month) Generally speaking, (T-shirt farming aside), if you find a genuine typo, or small way to improve documentation, then that PR will be very much appreciated. README-typos are quite visible, yet easy for maintainers to overlook. If you are new to GitHub, please do not be discouraged, and as with editing Wikipedia- be bold. (In the large sche…

The pull request I have seen were changing "how to install" into "how to easily install" and such. They were not fixing typos or even making sentences better. They were just meaningless changes.

Not sure why the downvotes... the takeaway is it’s extremely easy for maintainers to tell a well intentioned docs change from the crap referenced in this article

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#205
post #37

The shitoberfest Twitter account is hilarious. https://mobile.twitter.com/shitoberfest

You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk about the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever did a…

> I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions.

For sure, but the Hacktoberfest promotional website treats this as a second order effect, instead of the primary goal it really should be.

The primary motivation for participants is the free t-shirt, because that's the incentive that's being pushed. What is not promoted - and should be promoted - is the impact of contributing: making a change for the better, the social good, taking a step towards connecting with new people, learning opportunities, making a mark in the world with your name on, etc.

The problem OSS faces is not just finding enough contributors. It's finding contributors who are intrinsically motivated to actively engage with a project.

And so, the current campaign inadvertently targets loads of people who don't really care for the code or the projects themselves: they just want the exclusive t-shirt as a trapping and not much more.

I'm sure the campaign still attracts contributors who genuinely want to submit a good PR (I sure am going to do an effort). But frankly, if the campaign ends up devolving into a frenzy for t-shirts, it's hard not to feel demoralized: that's not the spirit of the campaign, and that's quite likely not what DO originally intended, right?

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#206

Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't. This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I requ…

I would say he probably should have shown that many repos have a todo or even suggested starter issues that one could look at instead of just making some unnecessary change for no reason.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#207
post #25

I have a couple of vaguely popular repos on github (~100,000 downloads a month) Generally speaking, (T-shirt farming aside), if you find a genuine typo, or small way to improve documentation, then that PR will be very much appreciated. README-typos are quite visible, yet easy for maintainers to overlook. If you are new to GitHub, please do not be discouraged, and as with editing Wikipedia- be bold. (In the large sche…

Typo fixes are useful. Adding '- an Amazing Project' to a title is not.

There's a lot that the guy could have done differently to demonstrate what a legitimate pull request looks like. Because this wasn't it.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I request every one of my followers to make 20 spam PRs so at least 4 sit for more than a week Is this true? I don’t speak Hindi but this is exactly opposite to what the pull quotes on the original article say that he said.

He did, his statements (translated to English) were: -"Don't send PR to popular repos, they'll mark it as spam" -"Send PR to repo with little activity, it'll increase the chances that it'll sit for 7 days. The lesser known a repo is the better, 4 out of 20 is doable" -"Hacktoberfest has had seasons when they didn't get enough participants and had leftover merch. I request every single one of you to go grab one" The t…

Is "I request every one of my followers to make 20 spam PRs so at least 4 sit for more than a week"

The same translation of:

"Send PR to repo with little activity, it'll increase the chances that it'll sit for 7 days. The lesser known a repo is the better, 4 out 20 is doable"

It is times like this that a third translation would be nice, preferable with a bit more context around the "4 out 20" quote.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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post #155
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk through the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of its existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever di…

Why do you think hundreds of maintainers have to clean up their repos? What is your acceptable ratio of misuse to value add?

I have seen some repos with 3 pages of spam PRs. It's drowning out legitimate PRs.
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