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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by arjun1296 »

john4532452 wrote: post #97
nabla9 wrote: post #22

Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India. No…

Where and when did this govt deny education? Do you have any evidence or are you just grappling with straws here?

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Post by f154hfds »

rmrfrmrf wrote: post #66
swarnie_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good chunk of the world has shifted that way since 2000, its actually baffling.

It turns out that not everyone appreciates being turned into an economic client state of the US. Nationalism is a direct reaction meant to (whether effective or not) reaffirm sovreignty.

Uhh what? How is the US buying goods/services from India infringing on their sovereignty?

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Post by srean »

nilsocket wrote: post #32
deskamess wrote: post #29

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>India has such a strong and independent judicial system which does its job. Eh... no it does not. The Supreme Court has capitulated; it rubber stamps anything coming out of Modi Inc. Do you not follow whats going on? Why don't you address all of the issues that the parent poster bought up?

An iota of evidence?

Afzal Guru was hanged for much less.

Letting article 370 reform go unchallenged would be one example.

It was an opportunistic edge case that allowed the federal body to decide on a state matter because the state government was temporarily missing and a caretaker government was in charge.

Court chose to look the other way.

One can arguesuch opportunism is legal as far as the letter of the law is concerned. It is common on legal proceedings for the spirit of the law to be upheld rather than the letter, except for business/commercial contracts.

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Post by djsumdog »

SimplyUseless wrote: post #73

What has this post got anything to do with Startups? HN has become irrelevant when the reason is to make impacts in the startup world and less on how the political landscape works. The only reason this post is important is because a lot of the techies are Indians and you can see from the comments on why these discussions are so important for them. We could go on and bring up political unrests in China, Afghanistan, I…

This post will pretty quickly fall off the front page. Political and controversial posts often do. If you find one, be glad. Look at it closely.

Look how many comments are in the grey. There is a lot of controversy. Always scroll to the bottom too and look at the heated debate.

I've had friends in Australia who would always criticize Amnesty International and talked about the harm the organization harmed. I liked a lot of the videos they produced in the 2000s, including their video against US torture by the CIA and the documentary The Anatomy of Hate.

But it's important to see all sides of and organization, and reading these comments and looking at all of the sources on all sides, I can see why a lot of people oppose them and how they can also do a lot of harm.

These posts don't stay on the front page for long. Learn from them. This is the information the main stream media keeps from you.

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Post by rmrfrmrf »

f154hfds wrote: post #202
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out that not everyone appreciates being turned into an economic client state of the US. Nationalism is a direct reaction meant to (whether effective or not) reaffirm sovreignty.

Uhh what? How is the US buying goods/services from India infringing on their sovereignty?

Shipping India's able-bodied workforce to the US and driving the rest of the local economy with low-wage factory jobs absolutely hampers a country's ability to govern and develop itself. The threat of pulling manufacturing out of a country becomes too great and forces governments to bend to the will of foreign investment.

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Post by arjun1296 »

john4532452 wrote: post #141
malware7 wrote: post #106

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Any source on the motives of Indian nationalism for the "strict implementation" of varna system?

Most of the BJP leaders are former RSS members including modi. Source https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29593336 RSS ideology is to make india a hindu religous state. Hinduism is based on the vedic books which advocate varna system.

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Post by swarnie_ »

f154hfds wrote: post #202
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out that not everyone appreciates being turned into an economic client state of the US. Nationalism is a direct reaction meant to (whether effective or not) reaffirm sovreignty.

Uhh what? How is the US buying goods/services from India infringing on their sovereignty?

Don't worry too much, most Indians i meet online don't like my country either.

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Post by arjun1296 »

ranjitcool1 wrote: post #186
abtom wrote: post #121

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> Tune into an Indian news channel Can you name a single unbiased channel?

I didn’t say Indian channels are biased or aren’t biased, my point was on freedom of press and how they don’t hesitate to ask or harass the govt or people alike. Re read my point

Shekar Gupta's coverage of "Cut the Clutter" gives balance view points

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Post by unishark »

oytis wrote: post #170
sandworm101 wrote: post #155

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>> which advocates stratification of society based on the birth Not a unique to Indian nationalism. American nationalism is very similar. See the "birther" movement. Or the president's push to withdraw birth right citizenship, a concept that would deny far more than just education. Or the references to "anchor babies". The location of one's birthplace, and the birthplace of one's parents, is of fundamental importance…

Birthright citizenship is pretty unique to America though. Nowhere in Europe you would find such a thing, although most people won't count Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden etc. as human right violators.

Also Canada, Mexico, and almost all of South America. Only a few other countries elsewhere, none of them developed.

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Post by Chris2048 »

arjun1296 wrote: post #198
Chris2048 wrote: post #178

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> Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners.. How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?

Its pretty much evident from woke publications of western media

Ok. Got any examples of woke western publications expressing the opinion that Hindus/idol-worshippers are "beastly and low-life"?
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