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A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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I'm not so sure it is, when there are so many well-funded, concerted efforts to deliberately induce ignorance in people. Radio and books have at least some bottleneck where you can at least try to cut off deliberate falsehoods. Obviously that doesn't always work, but social media makes it effectively impossible. Not only do you have official sources of propaganda, you live in a swamp of anecdotes that are impossible…

> I'm not so sure it is, when there are so many well-funded, concerted efforts to deliberately induce ignorance in people. Radio and books have at least some bottleneck where you can at least try to cut off deliberate falsehoods. I don't see how you can believe these things at the same time. If these efforts to induce ignorance are indeed so well-funded and concerted, how can bottlenecks be an obstacle? Indeed why co…

I meant to suggest that if you have a few large, expensive propaganda organs, you have some hope of running your own counterpropaganda campaign: disprove it at the source, and maybe you can convince people.

Of course if the money can shut you down entirely, you can't succeed. But it's hard to completely control radio and books. It can be done, but only by making your totalitarianism clear. It's more effective if people think they came to their conclusions on their own, and have been exposed to "all sides".

Today, they can bolster their organized propaganda with a sufficiently effective astroturf campaign (magnified by social media). The two provide confirmation for each other, and appear to be independent. They may even actually be independent; they don't need to formally coordinate if they roughly agree on the ends.

So people believe they're getting "all sides" of the story, and there's no need to shut down disagreement. Instead, people hear the message from two sources that affirm each other, and disregard any disagreement willingly.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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I'd like to see you stare that Billion Dollars in the eye and say 'no thank you, these are my principles'. Bonus points if you can do it with your spouse and children by your side.

I'm presuming you are talking about a generic "you", and not referring to me personally, because I've been working in (mostly) mission-driven companies for a decade. I do take a hit on my compensation and wealth for it, with my spouse and children by my side the whole time. But granted, mission-driven people are less common. To the point that many people who are not fundamentally mission-driven truly do not comprehen…

Can you name some of the companies? Would love to hear some of them considering every company thinks they are “mission-driven”.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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I think you misunderstand. People want to be mad. They like it.

It's a serious problem. I have two Twitter profiles. One follows only makers, tinkerers, artists and educators. I mark "do not want to see more posts like these" if anyone posts something political. I have another one that follows people with strong political views and the latest outrage. Guess which one makes me feel better when I view it? Guess which one I find myself viewing more often?

100%. I do the same thing. On my "safe" account I have 80+ muted phrases (mostly political). On my corporate account I don't really have that luxury.

Same feeling.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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We haven't yet seen Facebook attempt to strangle a competitor that it cannot buy. If Facebook faces an existential threat, there is a lot of capital available to fund its defensive campaign. Buying is just cheaper. A direct threat to Facebook is unlikely to succeed. More likely is a competitor based in a niche where Facebook cannot enter for structural reasons that slowly out-competes Facebook on Facebook's turf. One…

Privacy focused non-profit (open source?) social media platform that is easy to join, maybe there is a tool that scrapes your facebook profile and imports it automatically. Can anyone help me brainstorm what features would be compelling for a privacy focused social media/event planning/group discussion platform?

To dance that dance, one should first be aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Ventur.... .

Facebook's network graph is its single most-valuable asset. Responsibly placing it back into the hands of its users will require some subtle care, both to avoid Facebook's ire and to avoid abuse.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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Maybe it is. I just am repulsed by stuff like that and try to get it out of my sight whenever possible. I figure most of HN is the same way. It pretty much never appears on any of my feeds, since I don't hesitate to click the "Not interested" button on the rare occasions it appears. I'll watch that film, though.

The new AI is different than the algorithms of old. The old algorithms are one size fits all and everyone get exactly the same schlock. The new AI knows you individually and shows you as an individual the kinds of things that you are most likely to engage with. It doesn't matter at all if the kinds of things you as an individual are more likely to engage with have less inflammatory headlines. The system is still doin…

Right. But that was exactly what I was saying in my initial post (above my previous reply).

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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Something I have always failed to understand is why there are people who still work for this company. She states “I know that I have blood on my hands by now”; doesn't everyone who works there? At this point, it is well known by everyone that this is a product flawed to the core. It is maintained by a company that insists is not a media company to evade all social responsibility, and insists that its AI will solve th…

A lot of people don't care about ethics and mortality in their work as long as they get paid and get to go home to a house/apartment at the end of the day.

I think you meant "morality" instead of "mortality", but I'll go with mortality anyway.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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Instagram did that. However for social networks you make money from ads, so they’re rotten in a different way.

The hell they did. They took the money and ran. https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/facebook-buys-instag...

I am dumb. I was thinking about Snapchat. Sorry.

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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Wow, that creates a really weird incentive for him. He'll get paid more and promoted if he secretly becomes a whistleblower.

I believe Sophie Zhang is a woman.

Oops :[

Re: A whistleblower says Facebook ignored global political manipulation

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She's not exactly going at lengths to hide her identity, I'm watching it blow up on twitter with her named by full name.

Before or after Buzzfeed doxxed her?

According to a mutual friend, apparently buzzfeed released all this information without her permission. So you are correct, buzzfeed doxxed her.
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