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Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this. I’m seeing this sentiment expressed more and more, and it seriously concerns me. If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top. This isn’t blind patriotism. Seriously if you are feeling like the US is becoming a…

With specific regard to electrical infrastructure, World Bank data ranks the US in 25 place globally. Notably, the US is behind Canada (which faces very similar geographic and climactic issues with its infrastructure), the UK, France, and Japan. The only major developed democracies to score worse are Germany, Italy, and Australia.

Source: https://govdata360.worldbank.org/indicators/heb130a3c?countr...

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Lol and I made fun of my country when this happened in Iran. Good job America.

I don’t know what’s the big deal is. A couple hours of outage for a few households for once a decade event is not reflection of anything

It's not a big deal that we're getting less stable in electricity?

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Agreed. Instead of using cheap money to drive up asset prices it would be nice if it actually got used for something useful.

This is because one of our two political parties doesn’t believe that government spending should exist, and is iffy about the concept of government overall. Because of that, the only body able to respond to crises is the Federal Reserve, and the only lever they have is the money supply. We’ve had multiple trillion dollars worth of infrastructure repairs we need to do and nearly sub-zero borrowing rates for the last d…

Even when money is spent on infrastructure projects, it amazes me how long it takes to do the work as compared to some other countries.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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You'd think with the reduction in traffic there's all sorts of extra space and time for fixing old infrastructure.

Unfortunately, I think this is countered by municipalities losing funding from sales taxes.

California has gotten a windfall in sales taxes from Amazon and Ebay in recent years when sales tax collection was forced. The money is always poorly spent.

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I live in a suburb of the Bay Area where temperatures are usually in 70s and 80s. Suddenly it is going to be 100 for 5 day straight. I have never seen anything like this

Get a window air conditioner or portable air conditioner... makes life much bearable for those days.

That hardly works if there is no power :)

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When we didn't have power in Iran for 2 hours I used to think it's such an atrocity. It never happened for more than 5-6 hours though. I had power outage in LA for ~17 hours last month.

Yep! Same here. This is hilariously bad for a state like California. I wonder why I got downvoted.

Tribes.. everything is red/blue, white/black, us/them.. you can't say anything without really pissing off some group.. so disappointing

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> This isn’t blind patriotism. Maybe it's just ignorance then. Quality of life in Northern Europe is far better than it ever was in California, which in retrospect looks like a joke.

What is quality of life? Sounds pretty subjective. One person may rank weather at the top, so Northern Europe sucks. Another may rank parental leave at the top, so the US sucks. Probably the most objective way is to measure how people vote with their feet.

> What is quality of life? Sounds pretty subjective.

I guess it would sound like that if you don't know anything about it and don't bother to look into it and don't realize people, including the OECD, thoroughly study it. [1][2] Furthermore, it's pretty idiotic to ignore subjectivity since it's the only thing that really matters in the end. If people in Europe rate their life better then Americans do then clearly Europeans are better off.

[1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life

[2]. https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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> most 1st world countries have experienced a rolling black out Name one? I've never experienced (or heard) of one in Germany, for example, during my lifetime. And of course it's not "rolling blackout", but "rolling blackouts", plural.

Here’s two examples of power grid failures in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_blackout https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-blackout-raises-questions-over-...

The subject and question was specifically rolling blackouts and neither of those were rolling blackouts, so no, try again.

Of course failures happen, for example when I was living in Mountain View we had a blackout because a squirrel committed suicide by chewing through a high voltage cable. Or when I was living in Detroit, we were without power and heating for 3 days due to an ice storm. It was a pretty large (and long) outage, and we had freezing temperatures inside the house. Generators were sold out for 500 miles.

Ahh found it: 1985, 370K customers affected

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_in_Michigan

Rolling blackouts are planned power outages because of insufficient capacity.

And note that these rolling blackouts are happening again and again.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Strange reporting that people were "believed" to have been blacked out. We lost power yesterday in Sunnyvale from 5-9pm. Very interested in more info on the "hundreds of thousands" because it seems like the cuts were fairly limited. There was enough power to keep the fridge running but thats about it.

I find it strange that a town with multiple high-tech fortune 500's can't power itself. This begs several questions on adequate management of taxation at the local level, and corporate interest in their own community's ability to support them.

US towns are generally not in the power business.

In the Bay Area, areas are served by PG&E.

One city (I believe Cupertino) has a competing utility.

Note that both prioritize emergency services like hospitals over residential circuits or DCs.

I live in the area, and I don't see a big deal over annual mid-summer blackouts. Though you should be able to get an SMS so you know when to leave your fridge and freezer closed.

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The size (not always duration) of outage in your second link would be considered routine in many American cities. To take SF as an example: - 2020, well, here you go - 2018/2019 should also need no overview, CA is probably the worst power situation in OECD countries in the 21st century - 2017, 88k without power https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/04/21/power-outage-sh... - 2016, 23k https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.c…

> Berlin got a blackout once in a decade like most American cities get multiple times a year. The Berlin power outage linked above was over thirty hours, and the SF outages you linked were a few hours. To bury that in "(not always duration)" seems misleading to me. That said, the 2019 power cuts were indeed approaching third-world duration and frequency, to the point that homeowners who could afford it applied the us…

> how did we get from SF to "most American cities"

2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/07/blacko...

https://www.theblackoutreport.co.uk/2020/08/12/chicago-black...

https://www.nola.com/news/article_a64debc0-c3dc-11ea-8d5a-57...

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/11/detroit...

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07...

...

2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_blackout_of_July_201...

https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/07/22/dt...

https://www.rt.com/usa/385646-blackouts-hit-la-ny-sf/

etc.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/detroit-hit-by-major-power-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977

Note that the Berlin blackout affected 30000 people and was caused by a construction company cutting through a cable. All of these affected many more (Chicago: 800K), occur rather frequently and seem to be caused by regular phenomena like weather.

One major reason is that so much of power-distribution is above-ground, on these poles you see everywhere. Storms will knock these over or have falling trees take them down.

>We also seem to be mixing load shedding ... with accidental outages.

Yes. The claim was that "most 1st world countries" experience rolling blackouts. That's not true.

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