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Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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I get gizmos like this as gifts every now and then. I never bothered opening any of them up. What are some fun things that we can do with these things besides their intended use?

Smash them up as a sort of therapy when you get really frustrated and upload the video to youtube. You'll get rid of them and make some money as well

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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You addressed storage but skipped the CPU portion: Yes, Opus can create good quality audio with low storage requirements, but it cannot do so without a high CPU cost.

Yet any of the smart home speakers on the market is more than capable of compressing audio.

Look further up the thread. The bandwidth required to transport such data has not been observed. I don't think anyone would argue that these companies wouldn't have the ability to build a device that streamed everything home. It's that to do so would mean there'd be some observable effect in the device's network usage that has not been observed.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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Would be a fun open source project to find the cheapest board that can fit in the box, ideally take some components (speakers, WiFi) and have similar functionality like controlling music, home devices, setting timers. I’d try to contribute if anyone is working on topics like this.

There's https://mycroft.ai , https://www.home-assistant.io & probably others.

Thanks for sharing, from a first glance I like how mycroft sells hardware to match the open source software, Will give it a try.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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For the folks who think your devices aren’t listening try an experiment: start talking out loud about a product you’ve never, ever searched for. Something you’ve never, ever needed or wanted. See how long it takes for ads for that very thing to start showing up in Facebook and in your targeted ads. I’ve done it and Started getting ads in a matter of days.

This happened to me with Google's search suggestions the other day and I didn't even say anything out loud. Should I consider that as evidence that Google has developed mind reading technology, or is it more likely that I just ignore search suggestions unless they're eerily relevant?

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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Are you sure? Where's the citation to back that up? What I remember are many products released around that time by Google, et al that were sold to us as: we're making gobs of money off of our core offering (e.g. search + little text-based ads), that we can afford to all this other stuff for the benefit of humanity. So much was sold as "making the world a better place". The other sales pitch we got amounted to, "don't…

I remembered the discussions surrounding it when it was first released. Here's one submission on Slashdot that discussed the email scanning: https://slashdot.org/story/04/04/25/1438250/googles-gmail-go... Here's one comment on slashdot: [0]. I have to laugh at this one [1]. It almost seems reversed these days (not quite, but kinda) I'll see if I can dig up any press releases or official Google communications about it…

Much has changed in the nature of the beast but you're right, the terms do state the obvious. Still feels sinister. Reading those old comments and privacy policy brought so much flooding back to me.

The value proposition has changed but not in the way that was feared at the time. We're certainly inundated with ads to a greater degree than it was at the time. They never turned around and charged for it but they certainly require a lot more personal information to have an account these days.

There was so much hate for Microsoft but it was wishful thinking that Google would turn out differently.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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I just dont have them in the house. Every now and then i get called paranoid. And sure, my phone can function the same (though i specifically have siri disabled on our iphones) Its just a cost benefit. I can get off the couch and flip a switch or use a remote to turn on a song. I really dont need speach recognition for those functions.

I unplug my parents' Google wiretap device when I enter the house for holiday parties. For some reason my parents can both know that I know way more about this topic than them, and still totally disregard me and spend hundreds on Google hardware devices because they seem cool. \o/

Your parents sound stupid

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I just dont have them in the house. Every now and then i get called paranoid. And sure, my phone can function the same (though i specifically have siri disabled on our iphones) Its just a cost benefit. I can get off the couch and flip a switch or use a remote to turn on a song. I really dont need speach recognition for those functions.

I unplug my parents' Google wiretap device when I enter the house for holiday parties. For some reason my parents can both know that I know way more about this topic than them, and still totally disregard me and spend hundreds on Google hardware devices because they seem cool. \o/

Some people are perfectly comfortable giving up some privacy for convenience.

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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I will purchase access to and broadcasting rights for all conversations that take place in your home. Name your price.

$1,000 a day seems fair.

Well that hardly seems like a discount for cutting out the Googley middle man! Perhaps you do indeed value your privacy a bit more than you realize?

Re: Google speakers are listening to more than just voice commands

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It’s easy enough to test, but I don’t really need to. Alexa Guard has had this functionality for a while, and I’d expect the folks here at HN to be able to infer a few things from the support link and basic reasoning. Support link https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360028205592-Usin... So: 1) if an event is detected, you can listen to a 10 second clip or drop in (2-way call) to listen in or look. 2) Echo devi…

>Furthermore, Amazon hasn’t cracked the code on hyper-efficient GB into KB lossless compression only to squirrel it away only for use in voice assistants. They could do speech recognition on the device and then ship off the plain text. I don't think they do this, but it is most certainly within their technical ability. As a practical example, I have a copy of a 458,045 word audiobook on my computer and I just downloa…

> They could do speech recognition on the device and then ship off the plain text

Not with the tiny cheap CPUs that are one these devices they couldn't. Or at least not very effective speech recognition.

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