Is there a way to go back and check you phone and see any evidence that it had connected to a stingray or dirtbox? Or is it really untraceable from the user end??
Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
201–210 of 215 posts
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#202Can a Stingray be used to eavesdrop on someone using an app like Signal for a voice call or message?
If you're running e2e encryption, it won't be able to.
I imagine that's why the various governments want to bad Huawei -- with Huawei in the base infrastructure, more communications will use E2E encryption and the government mitm attacks will stop working
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do the math. The odds of someone targeting you (just for kicks) aren't that high. But don't tell Glenn Greenwald that cause then he has to go find something else to scare you with, to capture your attention in our current useless "state of fear" preserving info tsunami ecosystem. But anyway lets do the math... The US has 200 cops per million. Lets say 1% of that million are born douchebags and there is another 1% who…
Your comment comes off pretty condescending and dismissive, which clouds a valid point. It's not likely you will be individually targeted by law enforcement. The scarier proposition to me is bulk collection and latent analysis.
I think you can change that to "if you are not politically active, you are unlikely to be targetted"
On the other hand, if you are known to criticise police actions, it's likely that they will be targetting you. The BLM leaders probably haven't connected to a real cellphone tower in years
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#204Hey. Someone who briefly worked on the Stingray team here. I left the company that develops the stingray (who’s name is mentioned in the article but I shall not say it) because I didn’t feel comfortable with the ethics of how it could potentially be easily abused without legal permission and/or repercussion. I fear these technologies will become more commonly used against Americans by low level law enforcement withou…
What kind of NDAs did they force on you? It's one thing to walk away silently, but you know they just filled your role with someone else with less morals. The other option is scorched earth similar to the recent news articles where there were blog posts publicly shaming the company. Wondering what kind of in between options are available. Anonymous posts are a start at least to get the inquisitive types to look in th…
Just a reminder that illegal contracts are unenforceable. An NDA to cover-up a conspiracy to infringe on civil rights by agents of the state won't stand up in court.
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fund schools. Hire tech capable teachers that care. Funding only works if it's toward this specific end.
> Hire tech capable teachers that care. I know teachers who make and have to pay out-of-pocket for supplies. Good luck attracting tech talent with that salary. So, again: fund schools.
I think the real thing there is pay teachers more.
Just funding schools doesn't mean teachers will be paid
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#206Slightly off topic: Why don't cell networks get shut down more often during large protests etc.? It seems that police use cell phones for internal communications pretty extensively -- Even when there are encrypted radio systems or channels. My guess is that UX of encrypted radio is generally terrible, and that it's a nightmare to distribute keys to all multiple agencies that might be operating in an area. So departme…
> Why don't cell networks get shut down more often during large protests etc.? What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
The problem that people are allowed to disrupt society?
Not everyone values free speech and rights to association
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#207Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happens when they are used in countries with fewer protections to individuals than the US?
The bar is already pretty low in the US. The FBI has trained cops to hide the use of stingrays from judges, so who really knows how many times these were illegally used to incriminate someone while telling judges they got anonymous tips or whatever.
So is it possible to set up spying on stingrays, then get them brought up on perjury charges when they say it's from anonymous tips?
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but if you're arrested, what's stopping the cops from matching the phones MAC to public wifi connections?
Since Android 9 there is an option to use randomized MACs for the actual connection (not just probing).
Who's to say that a stingray won't overwrite those settings though?
Re: Stingrays and Dirtboxes: how cops can secretly track your phone
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then don't bring a cell phone to a protest?
Then again, what would happen to a protestor that actually protested in a non-violent manner? Let's specify in the US as I can only guess it would be much more dangerous to protest in a country without a protected constitutional right to do so. So a US citizen brings their cell phone to a protest, non-violently marches with their signs, sings some songs, yells some, gets dispersed in a violent manner and/or gets arre…
I think the trump government has proven that the executive can do whatever it wants, and you're lucky when governments follow the constitution.
Following examples of different behaviour from the past 20 years:
The US can kidnap you, Ship you off to Guantanamo, Torture you, Assasinate you with a drone based missile
I read an interview with CBP folks where they consider the Portland protestors "enemy combatants" which is the same designation as "civilian killed by drone strike" in the middle east
From a low level, more likely perspective, they might leak your information to white supremacist groups, and then choose not to press charges when they do something bad to you? This is assuming you're black, mind you.