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Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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> I'd gladly pay 5k for a robot that can auto-organize my stuff around the house The main equation for general-use household robots is: can it beat human fares? A good weekly cleaner (4 hours) is about €22/h in Paris, or €4.5k/year. Let’s say your robot lives 4 years, similar to your computer (which seems fair, since it is one, and an abused one at that). Since you amortize its price over 4 years, its initial cost mu…

- The robot is in your house the whole 168 hours a week, not just 4. You're assuming a good cleaning robot would be absolutely useless for anything else, like cooking, laundry, etc. - 4-year robot lifetime is overly pessimistic. If upgrade is not the reason (which has nothing to do with lifetime, it's your choice to upgrade), a robot could last way more than 4-years (especially with right-to-repair laws in place). -…

The first point has an obvious response and the last is speculative.

I find interesting to address the middle one statistically.

A given machine has a number of random events that can kill it. Each possible event type i can be modeled as a Poisson process Xᵢ with, in a given year, probability λᵢ. The machine survives in a given year if no occurrence of event i happens, with probability Pr(Xᵢ = 0) = exp(-λᵢ).

For instance, a device with an average lifetime of 8 years and a single possible cause of death, has λ = -ln(½^⅛) = 0.087.

Given N independent event types (say, if you have on the order of N components), the yearly survival of the overall machine has probability Πᷡᵢ exp(-λᵢ).

Thus the lifetime of the overall machine is ln(½)÷ln(½^(Σᷡᵢ 1÷Lᵢ)) = 1 ÷ Σᷡᵢ (1÷Lᵢ) if each component has lifetime Lᵢ.

For instance, two components with an average lifetime of 8 years yield a single machine with an average lifetime of 4 years.

The more death-causing event types there are, the smaller the lifetime; and a general-purpose robot inherently has more.

I believe this result is counter-intuitive, and is the reason you might be led to think I am overly pessimistic.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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People are complaining about what this can't do, but for the disabled, the simple things it can do is going to be monumental. I see this as an amazing tool for the disabled, not a "beer me bot" for the lazy. EDIT: And I should add, I hope they market this to that severely underserved market. If they only market it as a product for the rich to do simple tasks, it will suffer Segway's fate. If they create a market for…

For me the ability to do laundry alone is worth $$$. That is 90% of the reason I have maid service (family of 5).

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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In 2014, I was at Google and went to an open house event at the Google robotics lab in SF. The people I met there were nice. I almost applied for a job there. Then I looked up the person who would have been my boss. He was scowling in his Google profile photo. His LinkedIn showed him as founder of a robotics company, with no mention of Google. He obviously wanted to be the CEO of a robotics company, not a director in…

Given the net number of massive companies that emerged from VCs, this is obviously not true.

It doesn't tell us anything one way or the other. That's survivorship bias talking.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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> ex googler Does this mean we get lots of hype and an inferior product that is eventually phased out an replaced by an acquisition built by non-google engineers?

I'm going to just start putting that on all my PR. Ex-Googler. No one is going to check, and if it biases the opinions of idiots... so be it...

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I'm always surprised how much these things cost. A 3 axis CNC is basically a 3 degree-of-freedom robot, yet only costs a few hundred dollars. I think we'll see mobile autonomous robots come into people's homes only after they: - fall to low thousands price range - do something useful (ie. not just a "social robot")

a CNC does not have a perception/reaction loop and is no more a robot than a dot matrix printer might be. the cheap cnc machines don’t even have closed loop control. it certainly isn’t solving any of the right problems.

A CNC machine is as much a robot as an industrial arm is. I suspect you might specifically mean "autonomous robot"?

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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The base looks like the clearance is too low and wheels too small, but otherwise a nice idea. I'd imagine you could replace the base with a quadruped for better mobility.

I imagine they'll improve on that. This bot is purely for research/funding.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the net number of massive companies that emerged from VCs, this is obviously not true.

It doesn't tell us anything one way or the other. That's survivorship bias talking.

Your sample is wrong. We are comparing the number of successful new companies that came out of VC vs the number of successful new companies that came without VC.

...and it's easily obvious that almost all of the new large tech companies emerged from VC.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd gladly pay 5k for a robot that can auto-organize my stuff around the house The main equation for general-use household robots is: can it beat human fares? A good weekly cleaner (4 hours) is about €22/h in Paris, or €4.5k/year. Let’s say your robot lives 4 years, similar to your computer (which seems fair, since it is one, and an abused one at that). Since you amortize its price over 4 years, its initial cost mu…

The killer app here is tele-operated cleaning, with a monthly subscription model. I actually dont think it will replace your aforementioned 4h/week cleaner, just augment it with daily tasks. Trying to stay as ethics neutral here. We will probably see something like "Human assisted AI" with a sliding scale from mostly human to mostly AI for various tasks at various stages of development. The operators will be sourced…

Yeah I agree, I think this space is huge. Imagine two or three generations down, someone from a poorer country using some form of VR tool with this, maybe with two arms instead of one, navigating your airbnb rental, cleaning counter tops, doing laundry, and organizing your stuff, and then jumping to the next appointment and doing it over and over for a solid days wage for their respective economy. With someone manning the bot, I see this being far more flexible than just your robot vaccum. They might not be able to do as many things as well as an in-person maid, but for 80% of tasks they might be able to do it good enough.

Re: Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, clever robot design

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In 2014, I was at Google and went to an open house event at the Google robotics lab in SF. The people I met there were nice. I almost applied for a job there. Then I looked up the person who would have been my boss. He was scowling in his Google profile photo. His LinkedIn showed him as founder of a robotics company, with no mention of Google. He obviously wanted to be the CEO of a robotics company, not a director in…

4 years is nothing at the scale of human progress

4 years at peak human population means a lot of human-years have transpired. And we've only been doing this oil burning industry thing for a few hundred. I think 4 years is quite a long time because of the scale of human progress.
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