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Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
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Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#202I really like the iPhone. Maybe not the full Apple ecosystem so much (everything else I own is Linux), but that's only because I think Linux is the best fit for me. iPhone is the same way, and Apple's business practices don't change my fit with my phone, no matter how disappointing they may be. I think that's why many of us use Apple. My happy place would be something like "Heroku for mobile", where you can jswrap a…
Isn't that what a PWA is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_application
PWAs are going in that direction, but they don't have access to native storage, notifications, and other stuff. They're still mostly webapps, which is great for portability but not great for mobile UI/UX. I want the "native-ness" of React Native (or really, true native) combined with the flexibility of a webapp. Reduce mobile down to another build target, but still not give up access to native APIs.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#203If you don’t like how Apple does business, stop using their products. If you don’t like how Google does business, stop using their products. If you don’t like how either one does business, stop using technology all together. I am being facetious, but mainly to illustrate the point that we now have a series of entrenched monopolies in the tech world so “stop using X” isn’t a realistic solution.
Every time someone says "I have no choice but to go against the dictates of my conscience" it translates to "I have a choice to have my own will free of coercion, but I don't want to pay the entry fee of having integrity."
No one is forcing anyone to use Apple or Google products. Anyone that wants the nominal "benefits" that they provide, continues to make the moment-by-moment choice of using them. You can throw your iPhone or Android phone away (or sell it and give the proceeds to the poor, e.g. child cobalt miners or Foxconn workers). You can get a dumb phone. You can live (shockingly!) without having a cellphone at all. Your job requires you to have a MacBook? Get a different job. The lifestyle you choose may require you to have these things, but that's because you choose the lifestyle over personal integrity.
No one can actually follow their own morality and someone else's. You either prove a hypocrite to yourself or a hypocrite to others. You can't serve both justice and the marketplace.
You could take no thought for your career, nor how you would make your living, nor where you would live; nor even the clothes you would wear in the morning. Is living not more than jobs, money, and clothing?
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a very cumbersome a way of getting what I want. It’s much better and easier if e.g the EU simply makes Apple do the right thing by force. The market doesn’t solve this kind of problem.
We already have anti-trust regulations that are supposed to stop these sorts of anti-competitive behaviors. A company is not allowed to use its position as a "market" to ALSO give an unfair advantage to its own products - or to shut out competitors without reasonable cause. ...but these laws aren't being enforced. It's funny to remember Microsoft being forced to de-couple Internet Explorer from Windows, and yet the i…
In theory there is already an open technology which is decoupled from these platforms: the browser. Job’s vision was exactly that.
Now we’re still(!) in a place where standards are being fought by the likes if Apple, because they have an incentive to weaken open standards in favor of their closed platforms.
This is a grotesque strategy that needs to stop.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
But that’s the whole point of having principles. It costs something to uphold them, which you deem worthwhile to pay. There are plenty of other ways to make money in software without needing to do business with companies you deem unethical.
What serious business, be it B2C or B2B, in today's software world, doesn't require a mobile app on either iOS and Android or a desktop app on Chrome/Windows/macOS?
Are you saying all three of Microsoft, Google, and Apple are unethical?
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#206Disclaimer: I only read the subject line and the first paragraph. Years ago, when Internet Explorer had market dominance, I was working on a website and I wanted to use a feature that IE didn’t support yet. I asked a question on a forum about how to do it in IE. One of the replies was "just stop using IE." Dude. It's not for me. It's for my customers.
Are we really comparing these two? Apple has nowhere near market dominance, in fact, they are currently in second place. IE had a much larger control of the market.
Apple may own a smaller share of the pie, but it's still significant enough that lacking iOS support can kill a business.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#207Disclaimer: I only read the subject line and the first paragraph. Years ago, when Internet Explorer had market dominance, I was working on a website and I wanted to use a feature that IE didn’t support yet. I asked a question on a forum about how to do it in IE. One of the replies was "just stop using IE." Dude. It's not for me. It's for my customers.
Put up a banner that says IE is not supported, download one of these browsers instead. If you say "No" because it will drive away your customers, then it absolutely is for you. It sounds like you were putting profits before principles.
And in the case of iOS, you put a banner on a website saying "Buy a similar $1K Android instead"?
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EU might solve this for you, I remember how it was years back, with mobile phone providers, there was no monopoly just a few companies that split the market and hold the users captive. So EU does not care that Apple and Google are not monopolies or that a large potion of citizens are busy watching football, if there are enough people complaining they will investigate and if you see what happen in the past force inter…
Sure… So, how many different word processors and spreadsheet providers does the EU bureaucracy itself use?
I don't know, do you know and what is this relevant? They get complaints and they look at them, apply the laws for the benefit of the citizens and not for companies, like when the mobile phone companies were regulated lot of people complained that this big companies will lose too much money but still I see Vodafone and the rest thriving and us the consumer can move to other companies without any pain.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I the only one who loves Apple products? I love MacOS. I love iOS. I love all things Apple. Customer service is totally top notch. Physical quality is excellent, of course I have my wishes and pet peeves (don’t like cold aluminum, stupid touchbar, keyboard!). I’m willing to pay even double the cost of other cheaply made products from Asus, Acer, Samsung, etc. Not to mention the whole ecosystem thing and I trust Ap…
I used to love Apple products when I was a kid. This is Apple's 1984 commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I They aren't the same company anymore. They started making fun of people that used other products. They started to say you can only use use Apple products this way. They started to say, "you're holding it wrong". They started to just pretend to be user-friendly and stopped actually being user-fr…
> They aren't the same company anymore. They started making fun of people that used other products. They started to say you can only use use Apple products this way. They started to say, "you're holding it wrong". They started to just pretend to be user-friendly and stopped actually being user-friendly.
Any examples? I think they're pretty user friendly in many ways. As I said, they are arrogant but I am fine with that. May be you're not, to each their own. I don't like their repairability stance and some of the shit they do to screw the consumer over. But, I can put up with that because they just replace my whole laptop or whatever device. I took the magic keyboard (standalone one) after 3 years and clearly out of warranty, and they just gave me a new one because 1 key was stuck. IMO more positive experiences than negative.
Re: Quit whining about Apple and just stop using them
#210Google has not a similar model as Apple, alternative stores are possible. These rotten apple gangsters need to be stopped (by legislation). A huge fine (50 billions) is in order! It's not only about the 30 % extortion fee but also e.g. Phone Story. A member of a platform duopoly should be disallowed to uniquely control the single access point.
> Google has not a similar model as Apple, alternative stores are possible.
They also allow custom payment methods within apps distributed via Google Play. See Apple Music on Android.