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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by belval »

mushufasa wrote: post #121
nvahalik wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is a company I have loved so far, but a lot of this is starting to really rub me the wrong way and I really don't want to have to go find another solution. However, without some sort of reversal, this is enough for me to deal with the mess of doing that.

I've tried Google Meet, Jitsi, and some other things, but Zoom is the only service that my 6+ year old laptop can handle for more than 5 min without nosediving into 100% CPU usage and freezing up. Does anyone have other suggestions? Either for other services or for troubleshooting Jitsi?

It's not free but I've had a lot of success with Amazon Chime which handles calls very well and support people "calling-in".

Full disclosure: I am doing an internship at Amazon, but my experience predates me working there.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by virgilp »

Ntrails wrote: post #180
sp332 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Zoom CEO Eric Yuan said in early June that the company has chosen not to encrypt free calls in order to cooperate with law enforcement. This is incorrect. They don't offer end-to-end encryption, but it is encrypted between each client and the Zoom servers, and they have promised there's no way for a Zoom employee to spy on a conversation without visibly joining the meeting. https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/126…

Either it is E2E encrypted, or it is unencrypted on zoom servers and the only claim that they can reasonably make is that they haven't provided their employees with the tools to observe a call invisibly.

This is addressed in the Alex Stamos twitter thread.

It _is_ E2E encrypted. And from what I understand the "promise" is a technological promise, not a process promise; you can check the exact terms of the promise in the paper.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by [deleted] »

orsenthil wrote: post #194
crazygringo wrote: post #107

I'd just like to see more evidence and information before making judgment here. There's no response from Zoom whatsoever, which is odd. Could this have been other users maliciously reporting the account as abuse, and it was closed automatically? Or something else similar? Or if China is putting pressure on Zoom, then how exactly? If Zoom, an American company, really did intentionally close the account of someone livi…

Here are more details shared by Humanitarian China with links to the video recordings and the photos of Zoom blockage. https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DM3ccTe70yzqCDPu9uXlCD7... .

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Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by gameswithgo »

at_a_remove wrote: post #35

I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine. I remember about a decade ago when certain parties were so concerned with voices being silenced and "erasure." The same people are now cheering when Facebook, Twitter, and the like shut down certain kinds of speech, with great discretion as to how the "rules" are implemented. Th…

i notice you say “certain kinds of speech” instead of speech promoting violence and racism.

im not aware of twitter et al banning any reasonable political activism.

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Post by _b3dj »

ciarannolan wrote: post #8

I feel like the good faith presumption for this company has to have shifted by now. Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse? Documenting participants (face, voice, language, location, etc.), recording content, etc. We're talking about the data of 200M+ users. I see people on HN defending Zoom all the time. >The company has acknowledged that much of its product…

>The government of Taiwan banned official use of Zoom due to security concerns, as have New York State schools, the U.S. Senate, and the German ministry of foreign affairs.

This is good enough reason to not use it.

Also I stopped using zoom and trying to avoiding it as much as possible after the very first vulnerability scandal[0] came about

[0] https://medium.com/bugbountywriteup/zoom-zero-day-4-million-...

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by drdeadringer »

mushufasa wrote: post #121
nvahalik wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is a company I have loved so far, but a lot of this is starting to really rub me the wrong way and I really don't want to have to go find another solution. However, without some sort of reversal, this is enough for me to deal with the mess of doing that.

I've tried Google Meet, Jitsi, and some other things, but Zoom is the only service that my 6+ year old laptop can handle for more than 5 min without nosediving into 100% CPU usage and freezing up. Does anyone have other suggestions? Either for other services or for troubleshooting Jitsi?

My laptop is at least that old and Jitsi is fine for me. Linux Mint OS, Firefox browser, both up to date.

Re: Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event

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Post by newbie578 »

dang wrote: post #177
newbie578 wrote: post #174

Seems like even on HN people are walking on eggshells and won't address the elephant in the room. Very well, I will. FUCK ZOOM and FUCK CCP. I am dreaming of a unified world where we boycott China until they change their ways. A man can only dream.

Would you please stop posting fulminating rhetoric to HN? No doubt your strong feelings are justified but the discussion this leads to is tedious, predictable, and nasty. The idea here is to have thoughtful comments and curious conversation. "FUCK ONE THING and FUCK OTHER THING" is...not that. Also, can you please not use allcaps for emphasis? maybe it would be a good moment to review the site guidelines: https://new…

Please do tell what should a curious conversation be about a U.S-based company which does a foreign country's bidding (China), and blatantly censors people and won't even let mothers of students who were killed in Tiananmen Square speak in a private online meeting..

This should be nothing short of condemnation and public shaming.

As you said, unfortunately I may have come across as a little strong and nasty, but these are situations where one cannot sid idly by, especially since stuff like this has been happening for years now (Regarding China, not only Zoom)

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Post by [deleted] »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #93
vikramkr wrote: post #62

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They can do whatever they want as a private company. I can do whatever I want as well. Including leaving zoom. They should have the right to enforce whatever standards they want, and we have the right to disagree and leave.

I really don't understand this. I am not American so may have a different perspective, but if by being private, you are ok with censoring, then you are ok with anyone banning blacks from their businesses, or not hiring gays, or only allowing women to go up the corporate ladder if they sleep around. After all, it is their private company, so why should I care about sexual harassment, blocking people, etc as long I am…

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Post by ryantgtg »

koheripbal wrote: post #167
deathgrips wrote: post #152

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You're not considering the real and terrifying strengths that dictatorship has over democracy. In true democracies the politicians never undertake a plan that lasts longer than one election term because they have no incentive to do so. In China they feel free to undertake 20 year plans with large upfront investments because the party does not care about winning an election every 2-4 years. Why do you automatically as…

This is why a successful democracy is one where only well educated and thoughtful people vote. Making it easier and easier to vote is a losing formula.

I know you are trolling. But, what country are you using as an example? And what is the “this” in the comment you are replying to (I think you are attempting to make a point rather than actually responding to the content)? And finally, investing in education is a better solution than suppressing the vote.
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