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Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #153

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Addendum: their revenue was actually following an upward trend as of their last report: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2018-19_Report#K... But the number of new registered users and the number of user edits are both decreasing: https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects

Couldn't it be said Wikipedia is basically complete? Which would explain the declining number of edits

A comprehensive encyclopedia is never complete.

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #82

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They surely would if they weren’t needlessly adding terrible UX “features”

Not to justify wasting money, but the questionable UX features are a relatively small part of the massive cash fire that is the WMF. Also, while there have been some large and costly failures (Visual Editor), UX features are one of the few areas where I think that the WMF could realistically advance their purpose: increasing engagement with the encyclopedia. Features like Page Previews can be very helpful. There are…

As a casual Wikipedia editor, I enjoy using the visual editor :(

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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How about if you want the information in a search engine, but you would prefer that the "search engine" didn't just nick the contents and display it on their site, rather than sending searchers to yours?

Isn't this what a search engine is? Google takes the excerpt which is relevant to your query, displays it to you, along with a link to the resource. Are we upset that the excerpt is too good? That the link isn't prominent enough? Something else?

In a sense, yes, the engine is too good. If you continue this trend, eventually nobody will have a reason to leave Google because anytime you search for anything Google will have the answer to everything.

Sure, it's convenient but it's also a bit frightening for one company to have that much power and I think that's what people are a little hesitant about.

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #158

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> I personally love it when my search results just give me the answer I'm looking for This is one of the things I love about google as a user. Googling "what is my ip" or "how many inches in a meter" used to require you to visit some random website filled to the brim with ads.

> filled to the brim with ads You let yourself see ads on the web?

You don't have to see ads to not want to visit places that inundate others with them. Also, having an ad blocker should not give you the false impression that you aren't seeing ads on the web.

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #168

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Does google "share alike" the rest of the results page? Or is embedding considered enough separation to not need to share alike?

I don't think Google claims any copyright on the Wikipedia snippets. You can share them just like you can share the original. They also give a link back to the source and clearly mark them as Wikipedia content. What more do you think that they should do to satisfy the license terms?

> What more do you think that they should do to satisfy the license terms?

Just depends if the snippit is over the fair-use threshold I guess.

If the share-alike license allows segregating content into frames within one page then it is ok too.

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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Google is selling ads against free content created in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia sees none of that. That isn't fair to Wikipedia and it would be catastrophic for many for-profit websites.

Can't Wikipedia just change its terms of service or licensing if it thinks this is a problem? You're either free for all, or not.

How would changing there terms of service prevent Google from doing this? If that worked, don't you think Yelp would do that?

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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Yo can tell google (and any other respectable search engine) not to include snippetsin results, either via robots.txt or with meta elements.

How? Edit: thanks. I see Google makes it really hard to opt out of featured snippet while retaining regular search result snippet support.

I didn't see anything about the robots.txt approach, but this support page discusses the meta tag method.

https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6229325?hl=en

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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Yo can tell google (and any other respectable search engine) not to include snippetsin results, either via robots.txt or with meta elements.

How? Edit: thanks. I see Google makes it really hard to opt out of featured snippet while retaining regular search result snippet support.

https://developers.google.com/search/reference/robots_meta_t...

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #68

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As the article points out, the problem isn't specifically that this harms Wikipedia, it's that this practice harms pretty much every for profit business that Google does this to. Pretty much every company in an established space that Google has entered, is losing traffic and thus revenue due to this practice: Yelp, any flight/hotel/tourism based company, video hosting sites, weather data sites, the list goes on and o…

Any site can control indexing through robots.txt. You either want this information in the search engine or you don't. Don't like one of the indexers? Tell it not to index you.

This is a great argument when the company in question isn't a monopoly.

Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019

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post #57
post #43

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At this point, I basically have to append "reddit" to every search if I want to get quality answers.

What? Reddit.com is essentially unusable since the update a few years(?) ago.

Open your browser dev tools and put this in the console:

  document.cookie = "redesign_optout=true; domain=.reddit.com; path=/; expires=Tue, 01 Jan 2030 00:00:00 GMT";

  document.cookie = "listingsignupbar_dismiss=1; domain=.reddit.com; path=/; expires=Tue, 01 Jan 2030 00:00:00 GMT";
This reverts to old reddit without having an account, and without using old.reddit.com
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