America is giving up on the pandemic? • Hacker News Board

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by bjourne » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #14

San Mateo County health officer: "The third modification of the shelter in place order is being made on 6/1/20. These modifications are being made in attempt to strike a balance. They are an attempt to find a way to increase the immunity of the population (in public health terms, this is called “herd immunity”) slowly and methodically, while minimizing premature death, with equity in mind, while not overloading the h…

Also, don't forget to wash your hands. We don't yet know how effective masks are but we have mountains of evidence showing that hand washing works.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by turndown » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

throwmehaweh wrote: post #144

twblalock wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their statements make sense if you realize that public health experts have not been speaking to the American people the way scientists would speak to an informed audience. They were being political because they didn't think the people could handle nuance. They oversimplified the explanation of the science and pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions. Now, by admitting there are exceptions, they reveal tha…

It’s the epitome of hypocrisy. How could anyone take them seriously now that they’ve shown to be complete frauds? Is it any wonder that half the country doesn’t trust the government lockdowns? “Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police.

No one will take you seriously as a new user with the name "throwmehaweh". If you actually believe the things in your post, I recommend you use your actual account to state your beliefs. Your description of the protests as going downtown to riot is the type of misrepresentation we expect from children, not adults.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by 4636760295 » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #3

A thing I've noticed is that they stopped mentioning the daily numbers on the radio (NPR, more specifically Iowa Public Radio). It's sort of like the media has extracted all the juice they can from the pandemic and now we're just left with the pulpy mess that no one really wants to deal with.

This is correct. It's not generating the clicks anymore, so they've moved on to other things. The media only cares about whatever gets the most eyeballs.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by theklub » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

neonate wrote: post #200

Barrin92 wrote: post #4

The concerns are right but public assembly is critical in a democracy, and cannot be put on hold indefinitely. It's probably the most fundamental right in any civil society and with all these takes I have seen on twitter about COVID and the protests, a lot of people seem to seriously unerestimate the value that free assembly has. Covid as bad as it is will be an issue of the near future, civil rights gains or losses…

The issue is the double standard with which some protestors were condemned while others were lauded based solely on which causes (and which classes of people) the commenters happened to politically support. It's transparently unprincipled, to the point of being a sad joke.

So the people in Michigan that nurses were standing in front of vs the BLM crowds.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by asdff » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:10 PM UTC

coding123 wrote: post #70

My read of the CDCs numbers [0] seems to suggest to me that the CDC thinks 25M in the US have HAD the virus. It's also likely that the people willing to protest probably are among those that already caught it, so infection spreading may actually be minimal. 0 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...

That's a big gamble.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by ska » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:12 PM UTC

metrokoi wrote: post #90

Quoted from a letter from 1,000 health professionals on the virus and protests [0] >However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from…

   Don't tell us there is no risk from these protests, but there is a risk from stay-at-home protests.

I don't think that is what they actually said, though agree it could have been articulated better.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by gruez » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

_red wrote: post #198

twblalock wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their statements make sense if you realize that public health experts have not been speaking to the American people the way scientists would speak to an informed audience. They were being political because they didn't think the people could handle nuance. They oversimplified the explanation of the science and pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions. Now, by admitting there are exceptions, they reveal tha…

There something more going on. In the past 3 months the following narratives have been pushed by the MSM: 1 - Trump is a racist for suggesting that borders should exist 2 - Trump is liable all covid deaths for not closing the borders fast enough 3 - The state/police are great for enforcing stay-at-home orders and social distancing 4 - We need thousands or millions to assemble in the streets to fight police This is th…

Can I see sources for the four claims? I'm not sure what your idea of MSM is (some use it as an alias for "media that I don't agree with"), but for point #2 there's an article for vox that seems to contradict your claim. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavir...

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by jpindar » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

metrokoi wrote: post #90

Quoted from a letter from 1,000 health professionals on the virus and protests [0] >However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from…

They're taking that position because if they don't, people will call them racist.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by dang » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

monadic2 wrote: post #10

mberning wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you assemble because you want to work. Then the media will paint you in the worst light possible an act like you are actively murdering grandma.

Idk about the media but I, personally, definitely judge you. Care about something that matters and not just yourself.

The GP was a bad comment for HN but crossing into aggressive personal attack is even worse. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: flamewar comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23449798 are also not ok on HN, so please don't post them either.

Re: America is giving up on the pandemic?

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Post by Supermancho » Sun, Jun 07, 2020, 9:13 PM UTC

_red wrote: post #198

twblalock wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their statements make sense if you realize that public health experts have not been speaking to the American people the way scientists would speak to an informed audience. They were being political because they didn't think the people could handle nuance. They oversimplified the explanation of the science and pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions. Now, by admitting there are exceptions, they reveal tha…

There something more going on. In the past 3 months the following narratives have been pushed by the MSM: 1 - Trump is a racist for suggesting that borders should exist 2 - Trump is liable all covid deaths for not closing the borders fast enough 3 - The state/police are great for enforcing stay-at-home orders and social distancing 4 - We need thousands or millions to assemble in the streets to fight police This is th…

> This is the type of schizophrenic messaging that happens during societal collapse.

Maybe it happens as a matter of social change or economic stress? What evidence is there that "societal collapse" (or what that even means?) has anything to do with these headlines?