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Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by blablabla123 » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

There is also this general wisdom that Fruit because of Vitamins (in particular Vitamin C) is supposed to be good against the common cold. Numerous studies show that there is no effect. I bet this wisdom doesn't come out of nowhere, but is rather an indicator how bad the average Vitamin (C) supply is.

FWIW older people are usually more often indoors and have both higher likelihoods of becoming hospitalized because of Covid and are more often indoors, thus prone to Vitamin D insufficiency.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by JungleGymSam » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:31 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

This is the same thought I had on a recent article about "treating" ADHD with exercise. lol

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by rossdavidh » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

tootie wrote: post #89

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You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

I wouldn't be surprised if quarantine is leading to an historic spike in D deficiency.

I think that varies greatly depending on the area. Some places you weren't supposed to leave your house, others the parks were still open for walking. Also, some places are more pedestrian-friendly than others.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by Darmody » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #118

Darmody wrote: post #98

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Water overdoses can be serious in the worst cases, even fatal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperhidrosis

I've heard one of the only things that are safe in any amount is alcohol-free beer. Which leads to some funny images of our medical studies if that was the standard we held.

I doubt it.

Beer is mostly water and your body can literally collapse from to much of it. I made a quick search and I didn't find anything that proves what you're saying.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by firethief » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #199

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Genuine question: so how do we fix nutrient deficiency for vast majority of people world-wide? It's probably not a feasible solution to require these people eat healthy nutrient-rich foods due to economical and culture and personal choice reasons. Are vitamin supplements a feasible solution?

This is the reason that many breakfast cereals are fortified with vitamins and minerals. It actually causes me to select otherwise "lower-grade" cereals than I might otherwise purchase. Fancier/healthier, more "natural", choices are not fortified. Alternatively, a multivitamin intrinsically yields the same results.

Multivitamins don't seem to benefit people whose diets aren't especially terrible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivitamin (see specifically the 6 citations in the 2nd para)

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by travmatt » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

This is related to the triage theory of nutrition

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by James_Henry » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

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Show notes are here. https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/jre-1474

2 interesting references to vitamin D studies: 00:29:32 - In the Philippines, every standard deviation increase in serum vitamin D was associated with an 8 times more likely chance to have a mild rather than severe COVID-19 outcome and a 20 times more likely chance to have a mild rather than critical outcome. 00:30:37 - In Indonesia, 98.9% of patients with vitamin D deficiency died, 88% of patients with vitamin D ins…

This could simply mean that metabolic syndrome is the reason these people die. My guess is it's not just a matter of going in the sun more or taking vitamin D supplements. If you have a vitamin D deficiency in the tropics, or even elsewhere, it can be a symptom of kidney or liver or other metabolic issues. Supplemental vitamin D can fix the deficiency/insufficiency, but they may not cure the underlying cause.

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Post by James_Henry » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

MichaelApproved wrote: post #23

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> Since taking a basic multi-vitamin is good anyway.... Could you elaborate on that? I thought that taking vitamin supplements without a recommendation from a doctor is just a way to have very expensive piss. Most of the things that get in, are removed from the body without being absorbed.

One issue with vitamin is they don’t get absorbed well without certain foods. Worse yet, some foods could even block absorption. Calcium absorption is one of the trickier vitamins to get tight. If you’re taking vitamins specifically because you’re deficient, make sure you’re eating complimentary foods with them.

Disease is also something that can block absorption which I feel a lot of people overlook. If you are vitamin D deficient, that may not be just because you don't get enough sun or need to take pills. This could be a sign of a kidney problem. If you are magnesium deficient, maybe it is a sign of a kidney problem. If you are B12 deficient, maybe it is a sign of a kidney problem.

If you have a normal diet and you have deficiencies, don't just look to supplements.

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Post by hcarvalhoalves » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

snikeris wrote: post #31

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Despite my somewhat limited knowledge in biology, my intuition was telling me that the number of patients seems way too small to come to definitive conclusions. Mind you, if Vitamin-D, magnesium and B12 play a role, that's good news for me: I've been very strict about those 3 in the past 2 years(and coincidentally loaded up my magnesium stash yesterday).

Magnesium is something I've recently been interested in as well. Surprisingly, you don't find it in many multivitamins, or if you do, it's in small quantities. My guess is that it would make the multivitamin too large if it were included. Leafy green vegetables are a good source of Mg, but most people don't eat enough of those.

> Leafy green vegetables are a good source of Mg

Unfortunately you'll struggle to reach the recommended doses because our soils are depleted and quality of crops varies wildly.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-an...

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Post by axegon_ » Tue, Jun 02, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

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Magnesium citrate 200mg(now foods) + animal pak (which includes another 400mg along with a bunch of other vitamins and minerals. I'm a bit over the daily recommendation with those two but most of my spare time revolves around sports since the pandemic so yeah... Differences: - Sleep is considerably better. - Haven't had a single muscle cramp even after something like a 30km walk + 60km bike + gym. Otherwise a common…

I recently started on a 250mg Magnesium Citrate supplement. I began taking it because I have been experiencing weakness in my hands, and after some research reasoned it probably wouldn't hurt to at least try the supplements. I also saw a study that said that 95% of children diagnosed with ADHD are magnesium deficient [0]! Another found a "significant decrease of hyperactivity" in children who were given oral magnesiu…

As far as the magnesium citrate goes, I don't see any reasons to stop taking it either. There have been cases when I've forgotten to take it for a day or two and I can feel the difference in the morning after a heavier workout.

As for your hands, given that you are focusing on upper body workouts maybe one up your protein intake, see if that improves things. Unless you are a vegan, Icelandic yogurt(skyr) is a pretty solid solution(the unflavored kind). In terms of consistency, I'd say it's similar to Philadelphia cheese but almost tasteless. 1 yogurt a day (350g) made a dramatic improvement in my case. Not sure about the US(judging from the fact that you used miles), but you can find those in almost every grocery store in Europe at this point for around a euro.