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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by hug »

downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

> As always, you have to ask, compared to what?

What would you even compare instances of police brutality against? Is there some kind of threshold under which you think police brutality is okay? Should there be a rule that each police force gets one free brutalising a year? Or is it just that if their actions are only a little bit of brutality, just a pinch, that they should get away with it?

No one has to ask what to compare it to, because in this circumstance it's a stupid question that distracts from the immediate reality of the situation: Anything adequately described as police brutality that goes uninvestigated & unpunished is unacceptable.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by ookdatnog »

downerending wrote: post #124

As always, you have to ask, compared to what ? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.

You're misidentifying what the core problem is with police brutality: it's not just about relative frequency, it's about how the justice system responds to it.

As a society we give police a monopoly on civilian violence, it is only reasonable to expect the holders of that power to be held to the highest possible standards.

But the justice system signals the exact opposite, by systematially protecting even the worst cops from the consequences of their actions. This, I believe, lies at the core of the people's rage. I for one think that rage is justified.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by pnako »

komali2 wrote: post #136
mawise wrote: post #56

Police brutality is a Bad Thing. There is also much lower hanging fruit in terms of saving lives and improving the world. About 1,000 people die in the US each year through encounters with the police. Over 400,000 people die in Africa each year from Malaria and we have very effective tools for combating it[1]. Police brutality is a big issue but the current media attention doesn't make "boring" causes less important…

Otherwise known as the "but kids are starving in Africa" rhetorical fallacy.

Well, if you want to focus on police abuse, journalists and opposition leaders are routinely tortured and killed by security forces in Africa. No one gives a shit.

You might say, well, that particular case happened in , so people there are concerned. Of course, and that's fine. I'm sure there are things they can reform in that police department. But how does that explain the support protests around the world?

It's a big political manipulation.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by zabeltech »

chillwaves wrote: post #162
zabeltech wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know why this gets downvoted so much. Let me elaborate: i have witnessed Police brutality first hand. Even here where we dont go through much of the authoritarian training americans are used to, i.e christian churches with heavy influence - here religion is merely a nostalgic thing. I know also that even here victims of Police brutality basically have No Chance of retaliation. That beeing said, a video that lo…

Does it mean anything to you, anything at all, that you are willing to defend every single video accusation of police misconduct? What a blanket statement to make. Maybe you should check your biases. And here you go, https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/judge-releases... Tell me why this guy deserved to die for losing at a game of Simon Says.

My apologies, the USA seem to be more rotten than i thought they would be...my original statement was also to broad, i cannoz defend that video similarilly to how i cannot defend every Police Action in russia or china.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by zabeltech »

PhaedrusV wrote: post #143
zabeltech wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know why this gets downvoted so much. Let me elaborate: i have witnessed Police brutality first hand. Even here where we dont go through much of the authoritarian training americans are used to, i.e christian churches with heavy influence - here religion is merely a nostalgic thing. I know also that even here victims of Police brutality basically have No Chance of retaliation. That beeing said, a video that lo…

Here you go. Video of cop shooting a guy in the back as he ran away, then planting a gun on him. The officer didn't know the event was filmed, and filed a wholly false police report on the subject. https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ

My apologies, the USA seem to be more rotten than i thought they would be...my original statement was also to broad, i cannoz defend that video similarilly to how i cannot defend every Police Action in russia or china.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by alexashka »

Lariscus wrote: post #127
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #95

Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

About as spineless and unethical as every other human being.

You know how we have some people worth billions and simultaneously people literally digging through garbage for food?

That's not an accident, it's a constant built into this species, unless we start doing some eugenics, preventing idiots from breeding, which'll take far longer than your lifetime to come into effect.

You interested in attempting to improve this species your whole life, getting nothing but shit for it and dying without seeing any fruits of your labor? I'm not and neither is anyone else who's not a fundamentalist idiot.

So yes, spineless and unethical is everyday reality. If you don't want to deal with it, go into academia or get a high paying job. Once you spend some time around people who know how to behave themselves, you'll be the one asking for a police state to protect you from the masses upsetting your privileged existence. Funny how that works :)

What do you think America and Europe are, but military states preventing the rest of the world from invading their cushy way of life? How awful right? Let's open all borders and have freedom for everyone. Right, alright then.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate »

mmm_grayons wrote: post #24

Something very similar to the Floyd case that wasn't too widely reported; probably a good one to add (assuming it's not already there; I'm having trouble accessing the site): https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo... Edit: Why was this down-voted? And why was the post itself flagged?

Thank you, I will take a look and add it

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by Lariscus »

lisper wrote: post #147
Lariscus wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

If it was a choice between following the order and being out of a job? Not very, particularly since your sacrifice would almost certainly be in vain.

Then the person in question is 'spineless and unethical' and shares a responsibility for the results of their labour. 'Just following orders' does not absolve them from their responsibilities to their community. That their sacrifice might be in vain is a separate issue that should be, in my opinion, addressed by making education in ethics a mandatory part of the curriculum of all engineering degrees.
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