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Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by dijit »

ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

We have laws in the UK that curtail speech like that, "Inciting violence" is a crime.

Which I agree with to some extent, you're not innocent of a crime because you convinced a person to harm another, just because you were too cowardly to get your hands dirty yourself.

But the US is rather famously not British, so I'm not sure if it's a relevant thing to add to the discussion.

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Post by TeaDrunk »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #188
darkerside wrote: post #184

As President, or any public figure, you are responsible not only for the intention of your words, but also every feasible interpretation of your words, as well as the impacts of your words, regardless of intention. I say this not to imply that Trump didn't know that this statement could be taken in multiple ways, but to remind people that even if it can it doesn't matter. It's tragic this has happened, and also tragi…

Vague and menacing threats are admittedly thuggish behavior, but I think it's hard to argue that it's more thuggish than burning down a police station.

I believe there’s a suitable MLK speech in which it explains property violence in response to human violence is an attempt to push the majority to action using loss of property when it is clear loss of life means nothing.

Given that it’s clear literal loss of life meant very little to people but property damage gets multiple multiple news coverage and POTUS coverage etc etc. it’s hard to consider burning down a police station when the police killed someone on camera to be completely improper. All attempts to appeal peacefully to the people who are supposed to deliver justice have failed, and in fact, those who are supposed to deliver justice have done the unjust thing...

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

smitty1e wrote: post #181

Should we just step back and laugh? What is funnier than people on both sides of an argument taking themselves way too seriously, and engaging in a bunch of troll-on-troll action?

So people not liking the head of the country talking about having people shot by the military is "taking themselves way too seriously"? Only one side is bringing death and lethal action into the discussion, not sure why you mentioned "both sides".

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Post by Covzire »

umvi wrote: post #194

At this point I feel like Twitter is _trying_ to push Trump's buttons. 4 years of not censoring Trump's tweets and now all of a sudden they have an ethical obligation? Which straw broke the camel's back?

I really don't understand what part of Trump's tweet is "glorifying" violence, can anyone help me out on the rationale?

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Post by buboard »

umvi wrote: post #194

At this point I feel like Twitter is _trying_ to push Trump's buttons. 4 years of not censoring Trump's tweets and now all of a sudden they have an ethical obligation? Which straw broke the camel's back?

You could also say that at this point Trump is _trying_ to push Twitter's buttons to justify basically destroying them

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Post by slfnflctd »

mariodiana wrote: post #187

Calling for the quelling of an insurrection is not "glorifying violence," it is exactly what a government is supposed to do.

Using the dog-whistle racist term "thugs" (in all caps, no less) and proclaiming that you are going to shoot people is escalation of violence. Notice not one other public leader is talking about shooting people-- in fact, the mayor and other local officials are expressing empathy for the rioters and pleading with them for peace.

Trump knows this language will only provoke people and make the situation worse (or he ought to, and certainly any competent, relevant advisor would). He absolutely is glorifying violence.

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

the moment society started to see social media as a source of news, the battle was lost. nobody ever used myspace to stay fresh on the situation in the balkans.

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Post by dmix »

illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

Snopes is a dumpster fire and the content editors consistently show a weak grasp of logic. Fact checking on a mass scale is a pipe dream and a massive minefield of false positives.

Although I might support this because I despise Twitter and support anything that might quicken it's demise.

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Post by illuminated »

wpietri wrote: post #189
illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

Yeah, the whole reason we have public education is that democracy requires a knowledgeable voter base. When social media companies were just starting out, I get why they weren't fretting about societal effects. But even if we go by business metrics, a collapse of democracy would probably be bad for their businesses. It's past time for social media companies to take responsibility for their negative externalities. And…

Yeah, there's a difference between educated and knowledgeable. But I don;t agree on the reason of existence of the public education system - its not about the voter base, it's about improving not only yourself, but the society as well (as improving society secures in a way improvement of you and your offspring).

I don't find social media companies responsible for the user generated content, but I do find them responsible for making it damn too easy to spread fear and then doing nothing about it. Or, as in case of some, promoting the division.

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