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Post by esyir »

redis_mlc wrote: post #166
sio8ohPi wrote: post #145

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But they will work without tips. Nobody is making you tip. Why not just pay for your meal and leave?

For non-US HN readers: In the US, the IRS assumes you make a certain amount in tips if you work in a job that customarily allows tipping. So when a customer doesn't tip, the waiter still has to pay taxes on the money you didn't give them. But wait, it gets worse (this being the US): Some states allow paying waiters less than minimum wage if tipping is customary. As low as $2/hour. So a waiter could actually end up ow…

Hold up, if a waiter makes less than minimum wage after tips, the company has to make up the difference. This is a federal labour law, and if treated otherwise, is completely illegal.

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Post by mydongle »

esyir wrote: post #201
redis_mlc wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For non-US HN readers: In the US, the IRS assumes you make a certain amount in tips if you work in a job that customarily allows tipping. So when a customer doesn't tip, the waiter still has to pay taxes on the money you didn't give them. But wait, it gets worse (this being the US): Some states allow paying waiters less than minimum wage if tipping is customary. As low as $2/hour. So a waiter could actually end up ow…

Hold up, if a waiter makes less than minimum wage after tips, the company has to make up the difference. This is a federal labour law, and if treated otherwise, is completely illegal.

Does your average waiter have the time and energy to devote to suing the local restaurant when it doesn't pay? Most of the time, and as they should, they just go find another job. I would hate to become known as the employee who sues my employer if they don't pay me.

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Post by rufus1 »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #133
troughway wrote: post #103

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>Why is that in any way depressing? The connection is fake. The men are desperate. The women are sleazy.

> The connection is fake. The men are desperate. The women are sleazy. I'm with you on the first two parts but the third one is going to get you slammed here. Women who perform sex work are held in equal/high regard by the members of this community.

it's easy to signal by saying this but how many men who say this would actually want their sister / mom / daughter participating in any sort of sex work? it's both the oldest job and the oldest taboo for a reason

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by rufus1 »

smt88 wrote: post #19
generalpass wrote: post #2

This was among my first thoughts when the first unemployment report came out. We are sending our daughters to OnlyFans. Still not sure where our sons end up.

With the potential for anonymity and digital-only connections, OnlyFans is a big improvement over prostitution, strip clubs, or crushing poverty. As always, the core issue is economic insecurity, not human sexuality.

more like economic insecurity combined with moral decrepitude. reduce everything to economic insecurity and you're not left with much

Re: OnlyFans, influencers, and the politics of selling nudes during a pandemic

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Post by jnwatson »

ausbah wrote: post #59
happytoexplain wrote: post #48

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It's crazy to me how ubiquitous the assumption is that any kind of sex work, even something as tame as nude photography, must be considered an unhappy last resort by any woman engaging in it.

this isn't quite what I was trying to say, I should've been more specific. I was more trying to say that I think bodily autonomy is a such a important part of a person's identity that a person should never feel pressure to unwillingly give up their bodily autonomy

What about picking strawberries? Working in a meat-packing plant with a high risk of catching Covid-19? Especially these days, there's way less bodily autonomy in most "essential" jobs than posing in front of a camera.

We're still in a system where if you don't work, you should expect homelessness and starvation. Until we get beyond this, OnlyFans is among the best of a bunch of bad options for lots of folks.

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Post by _8j50 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #89
mydongle wrote: post #62

As a guy, I'm cool with this kind of stuff. But what message does this send to girls who are not considered attractive enough or just don't want to do this kind of work? The message is that all the study, work, and effort to work in a meaningful career is a freaking joke, when all it takes is to be born a certain way and make huge amounts of money selling your body. On the other hand, we have a generation of young ma…

> all it takes is to be born a certain way Couldn't the same be said about intelligence?

It's absolutley arrogant and dishonest to think your intelligence is inherited instead of developed,unless you are an exception. Unintelligent people have hard working kids that grow up to be extremely intelligent,intelligent people give birth to children that end up idiots with negative contribution to society and themselves.

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

nelaboras wrote: post #72
krapp wrote: post #64

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Society already sends girls the message that their greatest asset is their looks, and their value in society is their ability to attract a man. That beautiful women don't have to work hard to make money or succeed in society isn't exactly a revelation to anyone. Society already also sends boys the message that their greatest value lies in their sexual exploits, and that as long as they have money and power and are ag…

I doubt that good looking women have such an easy life as you seem to think. Being attractive goes along with sexual harassment from the early teens onwards - stares, commdnts, unwanted touching, .. This doesn't stop until they turn 40+. I've seen 12(ish) year olds or moms with small children getting lewd comments. In later years attractive women struggle exactly because of the trope you describe - all their achievem…

Of course, being attractive has downsides. So does being tall and also being intelligent. So does being rich. You'll get harrased, you car scratched, become a target for kidnapping and everyone will doubt your achievements as well. A rich person probably can't enter many neighborhoods as well, without a bodyguard.

Being attractive, woman or not, has so many hidden benefits it's impossible to add them all up. You'll be perceived as more intelligent, you'll get more opportunities to be promoted and of course, mating, one of the most important aspects for humans, becomes immeasurably easier. It's probably one of the greatest inequalities there is, along with intelligence and wealth. There are many studies that indicate that subjective well-being correlates with attractiveness. And yet, people seem to be a lot more eager to defend the beautiful, rather than the wealthy. Also note that attractivness is massively important for men as well; note that 80% of all CEOs are above 6 ft tall.

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Post by argonaut »

econcon wrote: post #20

As I read some women in the article are making as much as a talented ivy league graduate who joins a tech company. It seems amoral to prevent them from making money, why don't we see it as a talent as we see "tech jobs" as talent? Can it really do more damage than what tech companies specially one who pedal ads and sell customer data and give people anxiety?

The primary argument against legalization (or normalization) of sex work is that it leads to increased human trafficking and organized crime. There actually is some evidence to back this up, but I wouldn't call the debate settled.

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Post by thatcat »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #150
edmundsauto wrote: post #148

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My experience has led me to believe (as a not famous, not attractive, not well connected man) that I would not get an email back in the first place. I have no idea whether or not that is problematic, but that's my perception: that I wouldn't even get the opportunity to prove myself.

On the upside, that at least saves the time and energy of trying to figure out how to reply to someone in a way that moves things in the right direction and wondering if you are just crazy and reading in problem behavior when there is none and so forth. I was strung along for months by someone who was married and not telling me that until he finally told me one day that he was married, his marriage was in the toilet…

In my experience successful networking happens when you work on some minor project together successfully.

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Post by _8j50 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #159
solidasparagus wrote: post #152

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I don't mean to be personal or rude - I only say this because someone said it to me once and it helped me. Your experiences in comment threads are often a reflection of what YOU write. Hostile people get hostility, humble people often get humbleness in return. Looking at this comment thread, some of the problems you mention in this comment have come up and perhaps it's worth considering whether that is due to how you…

I've spent a lot of time in therapy. If it were somehow the way I write, I would be thrilled to pieces to learn that fact and correct it. After nearly 11 years of being told things like "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog if you don't tell them" and having it suggested to me that if my gender is an issue, I should simply hide that fact, I'm pretty darn sure it's not the way I write. It's the way the world rea…

I wouldn't even know you are a woman unless you told me. I personally don't keep track of who says what (with exception of a few famous people). On HN, I feel at home in that what is said is viewed as important, logical reasoning and reproducible process are valued from what I have seen.
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