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Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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Before everyone starts painting bleak picture, reminder: Facebook's Sandberg announced last week or so that they are going to do accelerated hiring spree this year, opening massive 10,000 more positions! Google as well as Facebook both depend on ads so I'm wondering why one is tightening the belt and other is moving full speed on expansion.

One of the best offensive strategies you can have is to make sure all talented people work for you, rather than the competition.

If smaller companies and startups fade away due to coronavirus-induced instability, making sure that their talent winds up with you is a smart move. If you are big enough to afford it, that is, which both of these companies arguably are -- regardless of whether their Q1 and Q2(?) results are worse this year than last.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #87

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Google has a notoriously slow hiring process. For new grads and internships, the time between initial coding assessment to final hiring confirmation is often several months.

One has to think why the concept of employment is still considered like marriage that require such an extensive ultra-deep multi-level deliberations. Let's say you were local, why it shouldn't be possible to give someone on-the spot offer after half-day of interviews as well as let them go with, say 2 weeks of standard severance if things don't work out?

That would be a creative and different way to hire local unemployed people.

But it'll give you a reputation that makes it difficult to entice the sort of people whose current employers don't want them to leave.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #176

So years ago this came up with Eric Schmidt, who was CEO of Google through the GFC. After 2007, Google had selective layoffs (probably not in engineering) and slowed hiring. They also paused construction projects in Mountain View and probably elsewhere. Eric said when asked about it that it was a mistake. He said that if Google was healthy there was no need to have a kneejerk reaction to the slowdown. And this caused…

> Management overhead = Mean org depth / log(# of employees)

Your model is in the right direction but misses more important aspects. When consulting I measure overhead of the orgs I'm working for in great detail.

Cultural aspects like fear, autonomy, transparency, etc have a much higher impact on management overhead than the org chart structure itself.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #176

So years ago this came up with Eric Schmidt, who was CEO of Google through the GFC. After 2007, Google had selective layoffs (probably not in engineering) and slowed hiring. They also paused construction projects in Mountain View and probably elsewhere. Eric said when asked about it that it was a mistake. He said that if Google was healthy there was no need to have a kneejerk reaction to the slowdown. And this caused…

> The ideal is ...

Nope. That was perhaps the case in the 50-80s, but today we can do much better, and it's dependent on the people, the culture, and the market/product structure and strategy.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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Your sole view is not the final authority on what's right for a company. Google has done many things right while growing to this size. It still retains top talent something that other big companies struggle with. And yes I'll just wait for HNers who are disgruntled about being rejected downvote me. But the truth is 99% of the people will take a job at Google in a jiffy. I'm also proud of the response and employee sup…

I'm not so sure if Google did that much to help with the Covid situation. Yes, they checked the box of throwing a bunch of chromebooks at the problem and money and are also extending the tracking of people to "help identify potential new cases". But did they actually do anything out of the box that doesn't directly help them? As an example, my company allows us expensing up to 2 family meals per week from local busin…

LOL Your response - 1. Gave money 2. Gave equipment 3. Generated a contact tracking solution with their rivals

"SO WHAT".

Also, Google's donation matching is best amongst companies irrespective of a global pandemic. Google gives separately as well as matches my donations to a slew of organizations. But sure don't mention that at all.

Also, here you go - direct cash transfers - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/google-partnering-to-give-ca...

What you're describing as extraordinary perks from your company are regular perks at Google.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #100

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I was rejected by an SVP at Google. Recruiter was surprised but said it happens. Said I did a good job and could pick a different role (wasn’t for SWE), got the offer the second time around but had to start all over and got passed to a new recruiter.

I wish I could want to work at Google, but, between the hazing rituals on the front end, the long lead times, and these mysterious vetoing robed elders on the back end, they make it so unattractive. I wonder whether their approach has been alienating entire large categories of people, and what diversity of ideas and influences they're missing as a result.

Yeah, I think most normal people would just never apply and that's perfectly reasonable. I don't think working at Google is FOR normal people. I am a normal person and I'm pretty sure Google is not suffering from the lack of me! :D

You know, I work in tech but I have never attempted to have a Career in Tech. I definitely don't own a whiteboard and I'm sure I'd never get past the resume stage. (I've only actively applied for a couple of jobs in my life and all in the past year, purely because I thought I should REALLY get some experience with applying for jobs. I actually just had an interview and bombed it so much, omg, at one point I claimed not to know JavaScript! :D I don't think it's for me.)

But out of the rareified circles of HN, I've not found any of the career stuff talked up on here to be necessary anyway. There's more code that needs writing than coders to write it and so long as that's true there'll be work going. I work a few days a week for a company and the rest for myself. I have fun and write code and invent things and people generally give me enough money to pay my bills so I'm happy with that. It's a pretty sweet deal! Before I was a coder I was an unpaid family caregiver (hence no school or credentials or career) so compared to that I can't really imagine a programming job that could really genuinely be BAD. They are all simply gradations of sweet.

My brother (who did massively go to school) works at Google and loves it. I drop in and hang out with him there sometimes and it does seem great for a certain kind of person. And they have so many resources and work on loads of fun games and obviously it would be great to be rich as well. I think it's really clear why it's so attractive. If you think you have a shot then go for it!

But if you know you don't have a shot, why break your heart over it, is my view. It's not a bad thing to be clear eyed about your prospects in life.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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Your sole view is not the final authority on what's right for a company. Google has done many things right while growing to this size. It still retains top talent something that other big companies struggle with. And yes I'll just wait for HNers who are disgruntled about being rejected downvote me. But the truth is 99% of the people will take a job at Google in a jiffy. I'm also proud of the response and employee sup…

I'm not so sure if Google did that much to help with the Covid situation. Yes, they checked the box of throwing a bunch of chromebooks at the problem and money and are also extending the tracking of people to "help identify potential new cases". But did they actually do anything out of the box that doesn't directly help them? As an example, my company allows us expensing up to 2 family meals per week from local busin…

Also, the vacation cap thing is so small. It was the first thing that got implemented for Employees in response to Covid. Glad to see it's a "big perk" at your company.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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The bullet of getting hired by a company with famously large margins and a huge pile of cash? I could think of worse places to be during this crisis.

It’s possible they would have just built yet another chat app for Google to shutdown. I’m not sure what Google even does anymore innovation wise with all their wealth and resources.

They do some great machine learning research and I am sure good research in other fields.

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #115

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A lot of people are on Facebook and Instagram all day, stalking friends because there is not much else to do. There are only so many Google searches I can do in a day. Many of them end on Amazon where I may or may not purchase something.

It doesn't matter much if they spend much time on their platforms now if advertisers stop advertising everywhere.

People are not working, hence no money. (less money to spent) advertising doesn't make much sense except your target are the wealthy working (or not working class)

Re: Google to Slow Hiring for Rest of 2020

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post #187

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If they're unemployed now, but made above a certain amount of money in 2019, they may have actually received nothing . Also, if they're unemployed because of this and just received $2900, the wise move would be to save that money for essentials, not new subscriptions.

Yeah, if they, as a family, made $198K last year and filed jointly then they won't get a check. But I think you'll agree that it'd be ridiculous to shovel money to families making $200K+ a year. For single earners the cutoff is 99K. Lower-income Twitter is jubilant at this development, BTW. Something they'll remember in November for sure. And the check is not conditioned on whether you're still employed (which most p…

>But I think you'll agree that it'd be ridiculous to shovel money to families making $200K+ a year.

I wouldn't; reality is more nuanced and circumstantial than your blanket generalization would like it to be. While it's true that in many places $200k is a substantial amount of money, there are places (California, for instance, particularly the Bay Area) where the cost of living is high enough that a couple earning $200k may still be living paycheck to paycheck and $2900 doesn't even cover rent. The loss of even one income in that household could be devastating.

>And the check is not conditioned on whether you're still employed (which most people are).

I alluded to that condition by my use of the phrase, "If they're unemployed".

>TL;DR: a lot of people who are still working are getting what to them is a substantial amount of money. They'll be spending it.

While I am sure that many people will spend it in ways that are more recreational than others, I am not so sure that as many people will be doing that as you assume. Jobless claims are expected to reach a whopping 15% soon[1], many people still employed are finding themselves working reduced hours resulting in reduced pay[2], and hiring is down[2]. The current data available is from March, which means we're likely to see data for April reporting even fewer hours worked - which means a continued decrease in take-home pay for many people still working - and even fewer jobs hiring.

The reality is that there is a lot of uncertainty right now. Many people still working are probably on the edge of their seat about their company's long-term prospects - sure they can make it for now, but how does a shutdown that could go on for many more months allow their workplace to continue to sustain itself? It's foolish to assume that the employment numbers we are seeing now have leveled off and won't continue to rise, especially if this continues through summer. More businesses will close or cut back on hours and more people will be out of work.

That thought process is likely playing out across the country in many homes, so I would expect more people to pocket the money and use it wisely than to sign up for new subscriptions that they don't need than you would think.

[1]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jobless-claims-might-top-5...

[2]https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/4/3/21203199/state-of-employ...

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