Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US • Hacker News Board

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by scotty79 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 2:59 AM UTC

_gccu wrote: post #173

einmus wrote: post #147

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“Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is.” You think China can't manufacture good quality mask, a simple mask? You people really are that arrogant?

You put words in my mouth. My concern isn't that it's not "good quality". My concern is, the thing is literally coming from the country where the virus originated from to begin with. Presumably, these things were made with human hands, of people in China, .. the country where this all started. So, ... you're telling me, you're just going to blindly assume these products have ZERO trace of the virus without any verifi…

Pls read what's known about this virus survivability outside of hosts body before you assume that item touched by infected person is "tainted" forever.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by scotty79 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:02 AM UTC

_gccu wrote: post #167

elif wrote: post #144

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Well... for one, it is illogical to infer geopolitically motivated chemical warfare from a personal charitable act. Especially so when coronavirus would not survive on the masks for the duration of a shipment from China...

So, if you do the thing you suggested yourself, and NOT infer an assumption of a geopolitically motivated act coming from me, you will see that my logic as stated in point 1 and 2 is actually pragmatic and logical. Assume no malicious intention. How about we even assume that we paid for this stuff and Jack Ma didn't just hand it out for free. This is to remove your bias that a charitable gesture from someone, so that…

Sound logic leads to garbage conclusion when it starts with false premises.

Who knew it's really worth to learn about things you'd like to talk.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by jessaustin » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:03 AM UTC

_gccu wrote: post #187

fspeech wrote: post #181

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Why not spend a little time learning how long the virus can survive on any mask before making nonsense comment like this? It deserved a stronger rebuke than "cmmon man" since it's wasting everyone's time.

So if you notice, you literally defended someone's "cmmon man" argument as NOT a waste of everyone's time. How about you think about this, for a second, hmm? Studies as of now suggest that the virus can last for 3 days on a surface. So if you ship fly them over here from China, say a half a day flight, you have a good 2.5 days to potentially accidentally infect people. Are you going to "cmmon man" me now?

No, at this point you get a "relax, Nancy". No step in the process of manufacturing surgical masks involves anyone breathing on a mask; they have machines. Masks are never shipped by air; they're too bulky. Even items that are shipped by air take several days on the ground to be shipped from factories and to end users. Your innate fear of Chinese people has sent you off the deep end.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by scotty79 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:05 AM UTC

meowface wrote: post #123

maest wrote: post #50

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It's amazing how much impact leaving this information out has.

It's still a power move. Just a global one. I have no doubt his intention really is to save lives, but a secondary motive is surely also PR. Perhaps the Chinese state had some role in this, as well. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I could see a possible benign conspiracy like them using Jack as a proxy to distribute these. If they did it officially, it could be trusted less and the motive would seem more b…

That's such amazingly american way of thinking. Like straight from cold war.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by grecy » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:07 AM UTC

dexterdog wrote: post #44

celticninja wrote: post #33

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The Chinese are people like you and me. Yes their government needs a lot of work, but people are people and we need to remember that more.

Show me a national government that doesn't need a lot of work.

New Zealand is doing great right now, Jacinda is easily one of the best leaders on the planet today.

Denmark is of course doing well, as are Sweden and Norway.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by FpUser » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:09 AM UTC

indemnity wrote: post #98

spectramax wrote: post #72

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Why does every criticism of China have to have a corollary accompanying US criticism? Can we not just talk about one issue at a time instead of muddling up the waters?

Classic Chinese / Soviet tactic. Every action can be justified because someone else did something bad at some point in time.

Look at it from the other angle. If you are to blame someone for doing XYZ I assume that you are sparkling clean. If however you are doing the same thing simply get lost. You have no moral right to blame someone for doing exactly the same thing you do.

It is not "Classic Chinese / Soviet tactic (TM)". It is a friggin natural sense of justice that normal people possess.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by grecy » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:09 AM UTC

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #40

fairenough42 wrote: post #9

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Or a new normal? We'll see in the coming days and weeks how functional the US is.

As a U.S. citizen, I hope someone throws a benefit concert for us. That would be delicious.

I've often wondered how long it will be until other countries have to give the USA aid.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by knzhou » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:10 AM UTC

_gccu wrote: post #173

einmus wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is.” You think China can't manufacture good quality mask, a simple mask? You people really are that arrogant?

You put words in my mouth. My concern isn't that it's not "good quality". My concern is, the thing is literally coming from the country where the virus originated from to begin with. Presumably, these things were made with human hands, of people in China, .. the country where this all started. So, ... you're telling me, you're just going to blindly assume these products have ZERO trace of the virus without any verifi…

Right now, 99% of active cases are outside of China. If you're worried about shipments from China, you should be 100x as worried about shipments from Europe. Or, for that matter, a different state in the US.

Another point: if you're also an Asian living in the United States, spending all day whipping up anti-Chinese sentiment online is not going to help you. If you succeed, you're going to be treated just as badly as me, because they can't tell the difference between us. If you think you can get away free by just being really, really American, you're hopelessly naive. I'm excessively American myself, and it hasn't helped me one bit.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by scotty79 » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:13 AM UTC

737min wrote: post #111

spectramax wrote: post #18

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Jack Ma cannot be trusted. He swings high and low, doesn't know where the ball is. He once hit a Alibaba home run and thinks he is a hotshot. It's hard to trust Jack Ma with undertones of the CCP propaganda in this humanitarian aid. Elon and Jack Ma debates in Shanghai, just listen this guy talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU Edit: I am not defending the United States. Just look at what our president sa…

Jack Ma is close to Chinese PLA. It’s a national security threat.

National security threat is US military not owning aircraft carrier worth of medical supplies while at the same time owning multiple actual aircraft carriers.

Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US

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Post by alisonatwork » Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 3:18 AM UTC

FpUser wrote: post #186

01100011 wrote: post #171

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I've noticed China is promoting the medical response teams they've sent to those countries on WeChat. I don't want to be so cynical that I reduce Chinese goodwill to a propaganda move, but it definitely is good PR.

If somebody helps me out of the potentially deadly hole, I do not give a flying feck about the motives. And that somebody can have all the good PR s/he wants from me as a token of appreciation.

The CPC are the ones who dug the deadly hole in the first place. It's great that one of their billionaire members has some money to spare to help people out, but let's not forget they are directly responsible for this pandemic.