Why Susan Fowler blew the whistle on sexism at Uber

Post by pinkfoot » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:01 PM UTC

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> Dictionaries are descriptive of majority usage, Charles. So to put it bluntly, that's the average white person's definition of racism. I didn't realize you were qualified to assess every non-white person's definition of racism. Do you not see how you're over-reaching in terms of speaking for other people? > If you disagree with it, you should explain what books on racism you've read and which one you're getting you…

If you can't tell the difference between a generalization and a universal claim, that could be your problem right there. Also, a dictionary is not a book on racism. It's a book collating common usage of words. I suspect you don't name a book by actual experts because you've never read one. Maybe you should try that before trying to discuss the topic further. That would also explain why you're doing the a classic whit…

Post by wpietri » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:25 PM UTC

pinkfoot wrote: post #201

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If you can't tell the difference between a generalization and a universal claim, that could be your problem right there. Also, a dictionary is not a book on racism. It's a book collating common usage of words. I suspect you don't name a book by actual experts because you've never read one. Maybe you should try that before trying to discuss the topic further. That would also explain why you're doing the a classic whit…

I envy you: it must be nice to participate in a debate and get to be the one who makes the rules up as you go.

Post by MockObject » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:54 PM UTC

crimsonalucard wrote: post #204

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Judging from the lack of responses except downvotes, the answer must be "no". This must be all that pervasive tech industry patriarchal misogyny I keep hearing about.

Seems like a yes to me. Disagreement usually comes in the form of a logical justification for why there is a disagreement. Lack of response indicates to me that someone disagrees but can't construct a logical argument to justify a disagreement.

Post by pinkfoot » Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 5:11 AM UTC

wpietri wrote: post #203

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I envy you: it must be nice to participate in a debate and get to be the one who makes the rules up as you go.

This isn't a "debate". There's no stage, no hosting organization, no moderator, no judges, no rules. This is, at best, a conversation. At best. I definitely decide how I'm going to spend my time. My goal in having these conversations is to end patriarchy and white supremacy. Most of the people supporting those things, wittingly or otherwise, will carry their views to their graves. And a good fraction of those people…

Post by alistairSH » Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

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The way I read it, they actually had all the employees try on jackets and ordered them for each employee, except they turned around and didn't order female jackets because they didn't meet a minimum order size. That's quite a bit different than ordering a batch of jackets in some array of sizes and hoping most people can find one that fits. That's still a bit shitty, but not nearly as shitty as above. I'll also note…

>Of course none of the above is as shitty as the government agency my neighbor works at that asked the female employees to serve cocktails at a winter social. Wow, that's amazing. I wonder which agency this was, and if this is new for this agency or if they were doing this kind of thing before 2016. It sounds like excellent grounds for a lawsuit.