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Starlink Is a Big Deal

sneak.berlin

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Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#201
post #86

> For reference, my last flat in Berlin (the capital of the largest economy in the EU), on the ground on a main street in the city center, was serviced with approximately 14MBps ADSL, and this was the fastest offering available from any vendor. 14Mbps in Berlin? How is this possible? I had 20Mbps in Mexico City almost a decade ago. A family member who lived in the same building at the time had 100Mbps symmetrical.

Because it's Germany. Cash only, slow internet, roads without speed limit - Germany.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#202
post #57

Yet people flock to cities en masse and in acceleration. The most technically educated/capable flock to even fewer cities, even where connectivity is terrible. Centralization of technology is a reality and what could be more centralizing than a single-interest entity controlling the global satellite network. Starlink is surely a big deal, but of limited applicability.

Odd, most of the smartest tech people I know fled the cities years ago. The city is where you go when you arent the brightest, because all the easy jobs are there.

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Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#203
> * For reference, my last flat in Berlin (the capital of the largest economy in the EU), on the ground on a main street in the city center, was serviced with approximately 14MBps ADSL, and this was the fastest offering available from any vendor.*

That seems really low to me. I was under the impression that Europe had generally better internet access than in the US. Comcast delivers much better speeds than that even to boondocks cities, let alone major metropolitan areas?

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#204
post #77

> "Hundreds of cities and dozens of countries, fine for living but previously entirely unsuitable for a place of business, will blink from red to green on the map once Starlink goes live." this reads like a marketing piece rather than actual analysis. Throughput of a single satellite is 20Gbps. The finished constellation if I recall correctly is supposed to be about 12k satellites. So about ~250.000Gbps. So assuming…

Regarding the social impact, while likely overstated it has the possibility of making a real impact. Rural communities in upstate NY (Catskills, Adirondacks) have had their tourist season drop to ~6 weeks in the summer, basically because people can't take so much time off while being out of contact (there is limited internet and cell phone service. Not having either is the norm). Being able to work remotely from thos…

I also imagine teenagers on boring family vacations with no signal will now rejoice.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any data on the true prevalence of cell data coverage in Africa? A coverage map would be cool, but an estimate of the % of people who live in a covered location would also be useful.

To take a random example I'm familiar with Uganda has 97%+ LTE-A population coverage, which is as good if not significantly better than the US. External bandwidth costs are also coming down massively as loads of new submarine fiber cables are connecting africa. However, even a basic smartphone will cost 400%+ of many people's monthly income. Penetration of feature phones is high though as they are so cheap. Starlink…

Uganda is much smaller than the USA, and more densely populated. Country-wide LTE makes a lot more economic sense there, especially when you consider that mobile internet is the primary way of connecting to the Internet in Africa.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The address is used to show you a google street view pointing in the exact direction and part of the sky the satellites will cross. It's a super useful feature because it would otherwise be really hard to tell what angle or what part of the sky to watch. And accusing the guy of harvesting PII? Get a grip.

Look I can't edit the comment now but this isn't the kind of information that could be collected without the warning. Especially since an address with an IP can be deanonymizing. I didn't click the "notify me" button but I imagine it's asking for either a phone number or an email. If this is truly innocent I'm sorry for my reaction, but you should be asking people first, given the current state of advertisement and s…

> Edit 2: Jesus Christ man I had no idea I was giving you my fucking address. That's a little too granular for my taste

So the accuracy of the location being provided depends entirely on your device. From a website (or any other app) perspective, they simply request the client provide it's location.

Now if you happen to have a strong GPS lock on your device with 5m or less accuracy, that's not something the website (or app) knows ahead of time.

> If this is truly innocent I'm sorry for my reaction, but you should be asking people first, given the current state of advertisement and surveillance on the net. We both read HN.

Not trying to victim blame here, but if you're claiming more technical audience and concerns about privacy, are you genuinely unaware that this is how location services and permissions works? If so, I guess this is a painful learning experience for you. You're gonna have a bad time now as you think about how many different apps you've given location permissions too, because a lot of those apps will have a bunch of third party trackers involved that are connecting your IP, location, along with device identifier and any other information they can use to add to a much larger database to identify exactly who you are and everyone you know (think I'm exagerating on the last part? Have you ever shared your contacts list with an app like Whatsapp to find other contacts?)

The internet today sucks. I don't think this particular author is the person you want to be pooping hard on, they're highly unlikely to be part of the problem.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#207
post #114

Just going to plug my Starlink tracker here: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink It tells you when to go outside and look up to see the satellites as they pass over your house. It's a cool sight to see because there are up to 60 of them crossing the sky at the same time in a line.

Oh that's great. Now I can better aim my Elon-Sattelite-fryer device. I already collected 25 old microwave ovens which I plan to operate as phased array to produce a collimated beam of microwaves directed at the satellites to fry their electronics. I might have a better chance If know the exact frequency their receivers are tuned to. Does anybody know more? The reckless littering of our precious LEO must end here!

I'm sure you're joking, but it isn't physically possible to produce a collimated microwave beam that way.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#208

Is the optimism about being able to bypass censorship really valid? SpaceX may be resistant to the censorship demands of some governments, but a lot of other things need to happen to get someone online. To begin with you need to acquire Starlink's receiver, which probably makes it inaccessible to North Koreans for example, and difficult to acquire for citizens of any country that has efficient import controls. Then y…

So, I think you're mostly right, but not for these reasons. People have been sneaking forbidden things past borders for a long time. Think of the drug trade. Every country has a chemical drug trade it seems, even countries where the penalty is death such as Thailand. Then you also have to think that countries like China... Will be the countries making those Starlink receivers, so Chinese people looking to bypass the firewall may not have to get the equipment around any borders. They might be able to pick them up at the back of the factory, or when they "fall off a truck".

I also think it might be somewhat difficult to detect and track receivers down. You need specialized equipment to triangulate receivers, multiple vehicles. AFAIK Starling satellites use phased array antennas, which, if I understand correctly, might mean that they can sort of direct a beam towards you, and your dish will be pointed at the sky, not wasting power directing waves in every direction. That makes triangulation significantly harder than it would be for a cellphone.

That being said, Elon Musk can't just enable Starlink everywhere. China has enormous political leverage and a powerful military, and Tesla just finished building a new factory there. He can't just give them the middle finger. The official policy will be to either comply with the Chinese filtering rules, or not offer Starlink in China. Still, if Elon does care about censorship, maybe he will leave some kind of backdoor... Maybe it will be surprisingly easy to "crack" your Starlink receiver and set it to a fake country code, and suddenly have access to unfiltered US-region internet from anywhere (think mod chips). Then, China and other countries may not care enough to crack down. People routinely bypass the Chinese firewall using VPNs, and as far as I know, they're not going to prison for it. Hopefully it remains that way.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#209

Honestly I hope someone figures out how to shoot these down. I feel like the planet isn't getting a say. In fact only a few people are getting a say that this network should even exist. Astronomy is dead. A dark sky with just stars, yeah dead.

Aren't the satellites in LEO only visible for a short time after sunset?

Even if astronomy isn't affected. Can you imagine a grid/net of fast moving satellites, 80,000 satellites covering the entire globe that are visible for 2 to 3 hours every night. This is the thing that creates global suicides. Mark those words. It will happen.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#210

Honestly I hope someone figures out how to shoot these down. I feel like the planet isn't getting a say. In fact only a few people are getting a say that this network should even exist. Astronomy is dead. A dark sky with just stars, yeah dead.

Ground-based light pollution is a far, far bigger problem than low orbit satellites.

That also depends specifically where you are. If you move out to Rural New Mexico, this is a goddamn nightmare.
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