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iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by odysseus »

cygned wrote: post #143

While I can cope with the UI, what really drives me nuts are actual bugs. Sometimes, albums are split into two parts. Sometimes, songs are randomly missing. When downloading music, sometimes it takes forever or just doesn’t download at all. My most favorite one: when I plug the phone into my car, in 1/2 cases it stops playback (even from another app) and starts playing a random song. It’s always the same. And it’s a…

This happens because:

1. The original app that was playing (Podcasts, Spotify, etc.) got automatically killed for whatever reason (consuming too much memory, etc.)

2. The default app for audio playback is Apple Music, so if you press play (or if your car resumes audio), that is the app that starts up.

There is no way (at least right now), to change the default app for audio playback on the phone.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by jedberg »

pb7 wrote: post #199
proximitysauce wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple makes bad internet software. It’s ok at software that runs without any services but anything that requires internet access is a disaster. Even their “good” software is only good if you use exactly how Apple wants.

I would argue that iMessage is excellent. At no point have I wanted to use any of the alternatives in the many years of using it. In any case, calling any of their services a disaster is disingenuous to begin with.

> I would argue that iMessage is excellent.

I wouldn't. Interacting with people who don't use iMessage is awful. It gets very confused when you try to send group messages when some people have iMessage and some don't, for example.

Google's offerings handle this much better, especially if you're on Android, but even if you aren't.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by Finnucane »

danShumway wrote: post #179
Finnucane wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then people would complain that there were 1200 apps in the app store that did the same thing, and most of them badly.

And those people can just be safely ignored. I get that people get annoyed at needing to sift through a lot of options, but the way to solve that is by having more curated lists, rankings, and recommendations. I am almost entirely unsympathetic to people who argue that having too much choice is a bad thing on an app store. That's not a real problem.

>he way to solve that is by having more curated lists, rankings, and recommendations.

Yeah, sure, then we only need a few meta-rankings to know which of those we actually need to pay attention to.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by pb7 »

jedberg wrote: post #202
pb7 wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that iMessage is excellent. At no point have I wanted to use any of the alternatives in the many years of using it. In any case, calling any of their services a disaster is disingenuous to begin with.

> I would argue that iMessage is excellent. I wouldn't. Interacting with people who don't use iMessage is awful. It gets very confused when you try to send group messages when some people have iMessage and some don't, for example. Google's offerings handle this much better, especially if you're on Android, but even if you aren't.

What you’re describing is no longer iMessage and I would still say it works pretty well given the archaic technology involved. I don’t think contacting people on Signal via WhatsApp works too well either.

How does Google’s offering handle this situation better?

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by jedberg »

pb7 wrote: post #204
jedberg wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would argue that iMessage is excellent. I wouldn't. Interacting with people who don't use iMessage is awful. It gets very confused when you try to send group messages when some people have iMessage and some don't, for example. Google's offerings handle this much better, especially if you're on Android, but even if you aren't.

What you’re describing is no longer iMessage and I would still say it works pretty well given the archaic technology involved. I don’t think contacting people on Signal via WhatsApp works too well either. How does Google’s offering handle this situation better?

iMessage suffers from the same interoperability problems that most Apple software does -- they don't really consider use cases that don't involve Apple.

Hangouts for example understands how different carriers handle different types of data differently, and accounts for that when sending messages. So when you send to a group with different capabilities, it adjusts accordingly and automatically in the background.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by FridgeSeal »

lloeki wrote: post #123
oflannabhra wrote: post #8

I have an Apple Music subscription and use Apple Music (the app) daily. In this article, I hear a lot of "I". IMO, the big challenge with Apple Music is all the legacy that a) personal libraries, b) iTunes Match, and c) iTunes purchases all bring to the new streaming paradigm. Those are problems Apple has to solve, and can't just discard. Apple's customers have plowed tons of $$$ to "own" their libraries, and Apple i…

The library management (with and without Apple Music), digital locker, and queue system are the three core features I can't move to another music app-slash-service. And I've tried all of them, many, many times. I especially find Spotify infuriating, the library is so completely unusable they might as well remove it and turn the app into a giant search box.

Spotify’s “stack-like” music queue is the most infuriating thing ever; god forbid I want to skip backwards and hear some songs again...

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by m0zg »

It's busted so thoroughly I switched to Google Music instead, in spite of its cringeworthy and inconsistent UI. One thing that's particularly bad is search. It's not even difficult to do it well in this space, but for as long as lemmings keep paying, there's no incentive for Apple to give a shit. They unconditionally give a shit about hardware as a company. Software is like "meh, it looks pretty but other than that we don't have to care". Hairforce One needs to do his job. At the kooky prices you're charging you should be sweating every single detail throughout the entire stack, silicon to pixels.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by andrewzah »

mopsi wrote: post #172
jvreeland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't like overcast : ( I've tried to switch several times, especially since the podcast redesign and I just can't.

Give Pocket Casts a try: https://www.pocketcasts.com/

Thanks for the recommendation, this is actually quite nice.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by danShumway »

Finnucane wrote: post #203
danShumway wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those people can just be safely ignored. I get that people get annoyed at needing to sift through a lot of options, but the way to solve that is by having more curated lists, rankings, and recommendations. I am almost entirely unsympathetic to people who argue that having too much choice is a bad thing on an app store. That's not a real problem.

>he way to solve that is by having more curated lists, rankings, and recommendations. Yeah, sure, then we only need a few meta-rankings to know which of those we actually need to pay attention to.

Yes? I'm guessing you're being sarcastic with your comment, but lists of lists genuinely scale quite well. You can be as meta as you want, and in fact the more meta you get, the easier it becomes to filter out choices for people who are paralyzed by having too many options.

Of course, when you build recommendation engines and lists, you run the risk of filtering out quality offerings. But if the alternative you're proposing is we only have 1 or 2 choices for each type of app, then accidentally filtering out quality offerings is probably not a real concern for you.

Filters, reviews, and lists are great. They're how I select products to buy online, how I get book/movie/game recommendations, how I decide what Linux software to install on my computer. Curated content recommendations are the entire premise behind sites like HN and Reddit. This stuff really does work.

Re: iOS 13's Music App Sucks

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Post by nikisweeting »

sjg007 wrote: post #182
oflannabhra wrote: post #8

I have an Apple Music subscription and use Apple Music (the app) daily. In this article, I hear a lot of "I". IMO, the big challenge with Apple Music is all the legacy that a) personal libraries, b) iTunes Match, and c) iTunes purchases all bring to the new streaming paradigm. Those are problems Apple has to solve, and can't just discard. Apple's customers have plowed tons of $$$ to "own" their libraries, and Apple i…

I just want the old app back.

Yeah I'd literally pay $20 to have the iOS 7 or 6 music app.
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