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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by whalesalad »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #195
whalesalad wrote: post #102

My wife and I moved here to California (my home state) mid-2018 from Michigan (her home state). We moved out here for a startup, but shortly after relocating the founder ran out of money and could no longer pay me. This was a huge shock because on the surface everything was fine and dandy. Got totally bamboozled. I still remember walking into our co-working spot to pick up some mail and was told that I should leave t…

I am curious what a "killer salary" looks like in Orange County, compared to LA and SFBA (assuming it's a tech job).

The base was 230k which in retrospective is not really killer for this area. In hindsight I should have known that this was an unreasonable salary for the size of the company and its stage, and so it was kind of a red herring.

Suffice to say I won't ever make this mistake again.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jayd16 »

rayiner wrote: post #76
jshaqaw wrote: post #68

Cost of living is real. Weather is real. Outside of a few highly nomadic ultra-high net worth types the tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial in absolute terms for most people to bother with. The idea that masses of people are moving for lower taxes seems like a rhetorical invention of the WSJ editorial page versus anything rooted in reality.

> tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial It’s not. For a family with $85,000 a year, getting rid of state tax could mean an extra several hundred dollars a month in income.

You'll spend the time and effort to move for a couple grand a year? Does that really make sense? How many years does it take to break even?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by sjg007 »

formerchamp wrote: post #155
highdesertmuse wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Hello Californians, welcome to Texas! Please don't vote for the same policies that caused you to flee your state.

Texas funds most everything through property tax so there is an incentive to build.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by redisman »

weiming wrote: post #148
highdesertmuse wrote: post #120

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Serious question:do you still vote Democrat?

Tongue-in-cheek comment that I've read somewhere is that folks flee Democrat-run cities due to high taxes and mismanagement and move elsewhere, but then continue voting Democrat to bring back the same policies they wanted to escape from.

I don't think housing prices fit easily into generic-Democrats fault somehow. Which seems to be the main reason most people are moving out of the very expensive cities. Based on Bay Area vs Seattle vs Houston it seems to be mostly about do you build new buildings according to demand or not.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by sgustard »

davidw wrote: post #115
enad wrote: post #106

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Re: "The conservatives" If by conservative you mean something akin to capitalistic, and unabashedly out to make money, from the housewife to the CEO, then yes. If you mean something else, then it really isn't that cut and dry. Everyone (a very large majority) is from somewhere else, and most came to Houston not because it was some kind of Shangri-La, but because of the opportunities. Plus, for what it's worth, Housto…

I think your comment is a good one. > Houston is one of, if not the, most ethnically diverse city in the US. It's worth pointing out that this is in no small part because Houston is affordable. I don't care for that kind of sprawl and would prefer other ways of building 'enough' to be affordable ( https://www.sightline.org/2017/09/21/yes-you-can-build-your-... ) but still, it is affordable, and there are a lot of opp…

This article argues that segregation is prevalent in Houston.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/...

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by jayd16 »

jshaqaw wrote: post #68

Cost of living is real. Weather is real. Outside of a few highly nomadic ultra-high net worth types the tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial in absolute terms for most people to bother with. The idea that masses of people are moving for lower taxes seems like a rhetorical invention of the WSJ editorial page versus anything rooted in reality.

It doesn't need to actually be beneficial to be a reason people do it. As you can see from the replies, there's certainly a perceived benefit.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by bdamm »

toast0 wrote: post #171
reilly3000 wrote: post #152

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Washingtonians (and moreso Idahoans) are particularly irate about Californians moving in, and have been for as long as I can remember. There are a lot of "salt of the earth" types who, regardless of political persuasion, see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. The Northwest ethos has been one of eclectic flavors of stoicism, serenity, and a nordic work ethic. Californians, in their…

As one of the Californians moving to the PNW, I've noticed the people who most hate those darn Californians moved from California about 10-15 years ago. I've been here about 18 months, and only run into one guy who has deep roots here and was super grumpy about Californians. I'm sure it varies though depending on exactly where you are.

It's all pretty silly really since almost nobody in the PNW has roots that go deeper than 3 generations.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by m_ke »

tmh79 wrote: post #164
m_ke wrote: post #81

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All of the people I know who left NYC also left because of housing costs, even though New York has been putting up new housing at an insane rate. https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/mortgages/migration-study/

NY has not been putting up housing at an insane rate. Housing in NY is actually being constructed at one of the lowest rates in the last century. Adjusted for business cycles (we're in a peak now), NY is building less housing than they have build in ~100 years, and Manhattan is at its lowest density since the 1890s. The current period is only a "boom" relative to 2009-2012 when basically no new housing was constructe…

Manhattan has a glut of luxury condos that are sitting vacant but Williamsburg, Bushwick, Greenpoint and LIC have seen a boom (https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-building-boom-pushes-new-york...) over the past few years.

Commercial real estate has gone up a lot as well and has led to a ton of vacant retail space. My father had a carpentry shop in bushwick and just had his land lord triple their rent.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

bnjms wrote: post #143
psychometry wrote: post #50

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Greener, but also regressive and generally playing catch-up to progress. Texas ranks in the bottom half of states on most quality-of-life rankings.

Define regressive and progressive. I see these terms used all the time but I've never seen a description that matched the words.

No parental leave, assisted suicide, sick leave, non competes are allowed, their schools leaders are religious and backwards, still fighting abortion rights, illegal marijuana, etc.
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