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What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Emotional recognition is pure fraud, with zero scientific basis. Snake oil is a big part of the current AI product matrix.

Seems to go over well with the phrenology crowd if you get my drift.

Somehow, it's always all about the skulls.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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If batteries get commoditized then it could be an easy process to replace the battery. It becomes no different than many other repairs you would typically make to make a used car sellable. However it will likely require legislation to ensure there's no DRM bullshit in the battery packs.

It becomes an issue because batteries are so much more expensive than other things you can get though. It's not replacing a alternator, it's replacing a $15000 battery "set". Also I'm hoping electric car longevity will prove out the value in this. Electric car drive trains "in principle" should have much longer lives than gas engines.

I went to look up battery prices to prove you wrong, but your price is spot on.

https://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=4&prod...

Used Tesla battery, 5kWh for $1500. you're looking at ~10 of these for decent range.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Well, sometimes one coil for each pair of cylinders. I'm not aware of any motorcycle that had a distributor though.

All gasoline engines have a spark source. A magneto, a distributor/coil setup, or a transistorized driver/coil setup in the case of fuel injected bikes. Nearly all bikes from 1920-1990 have a distributor. The differince is that it often runs off, or is part, the stator (generator coil), making it appear to not exist. Just follow the plug wire.

That's simply not true. Every motorcycle that I am aware of (except the old ones with a magneto) has spark plug wires that go directly from a coil, sometimes one per cylinder, sometimes one (with two outputs) for every two cylinders, to the spark plug. They do not go through a distributor. The low voltage wires come from either an electronic module or a set of points (typically one set of points for each coil) which are mounted to one of the crankcase covers, not in a distributor.

And while the ignition cam may or may not be near the alternator or generator, it has nothing to do with it functionally.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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That is false, ignition coils go back to... before the sixties at least, when magnetos were used. And no bike that I know of ever had a distributor.

Every motorcycle has to have a distributor, unless it's either so new that it has coil-on-plug like modern cars, or it's so old it uses magnetos, or it's a single-cylinder engine.

That's not true. As far back as the sixties at least, both Harleys, Triumphs and Japanese motorcycles had either one coil for each cylinder or one coil (with two plug wires) for every two cylinders. They weren't mounted on the plugs, but up under the gas tank or under the seat. The plug wires go directly from a coil to a spark plug, so there is no distributor.

The purpose of a distributor on a car was to distribute the output of one coil to several spark plugs. When you have a separate coil output for each plug, there's no need to distribute anything.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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All gasoline engines have a spark source. A magneto, a distributor/coil setup, or a transistorized driver/coil setup in the case of fuel injected bikes. Nearly all bikes from 1920-1990 have a distributor. The differince is that it often runs off, or is part, the stator (generator coil), making it appear to not exist. Just follow the plug wire.

That's simply not true. Every motorcycle that I am aware of (except the old ones with a magneto) has spark plug wires that go directly from a coil, sometimes one per cylinder, sometimes one (with two outputs) for every two cylinders, to the spark plug. They do not go through a distributor. The low voltage wires come from either an electronic module or a set of points (typically one set of points for each coil) which…

Interesting, after some research I find that a few very old motorcycles - Indians and Ariels - did have distributors. But these are a tiny minority as compared to all the Harleys and British and Japanese bikes in the world.

Also, I forgot that some old Harleys have the points in a housing sticking up above the crankcase. It's debatable if this should be called a distributor though, since the spark plug wires don't go anywhere near it.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Toyota is also doing this now, they began collecting data all 2020 models with TSS 2.0. They started insurance offerings to generate $$ off of this data, toyotaims.com.

As a benefit for paying for their safety services they will harvest everything by default, it’s not even clear if you can opt out of absolutely everything

https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/images/doc/privacy-portal....

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Swings and roundabouts in the EU: GDPR should clobber all the nonconsensual data collection, but there is also the "eCall" mandate that will require your car to phone in location to the emergency services in the event of a crash. (What happens when an EU national drives one of the American surveillancemobiles? Sounds like a straightforward GDPR violation to me, although good luck getting that resolved)

Does this mean that if you cut the wires to your antenna you will be jailed in Europe?

Unlikely; you'd have to find the directive to check.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Swings and roundabouts in the EU: GDPR should clobber all the nonconsensual data collection, but there is also the "eCall" mandate that will require your car to phone in location to the emergency services in the event of a crash. (What happens when an EU national drives one of the American surveillancemobiles? Sounds like a straightforward GDPR violation to me, although good luck getting that resolved)

Does this mean that if you cut the wires to your antenna you will be jailed in Europe?

The first recourse of the law typically isn't jail.

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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Not too long ago I owned a motorcycle from the 70s. I realized at one point that it was probably EMP-proof: no fuel injection, no fuel pump, certainly no OBD anything, and a (literal) kickstarter. The most complicated thing in the wiring harness was the key cylinder and the relay for the turn signals and headlights. I miss that bike sometimes.

There is an urban fantasy series called "The Rivers of London" series after the first book (or "Peter Grant"-series after the main character) and magic interferes with (in the sense of completely fries ) more complicated electronics there, so his master (the last fully qualified wizard of Great Britain) also drives an old Jaguar that is all-mechanical and therefore magic-proof. Very entertaining series with lots of r…

Hogwarts interferes with modern technology too. :)

Re: What kind of data is my new car collecting?

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> I realized at one point that it was probably EMP-proof Different kind of bike, but I used to feel that way about my bicycles. However, sometime last year I was parking at the office and realised even that world is on its way out. The No-True-Scotsman actual cyclists have largely moved to electronic shifting and such, and the utility bikes are quickly moving to e-bikes.

>The No-True-Scotsman actual cyclists have largely moved to electronic shifting and such Not true at all. Electronic shifting is a thing, yes: google for "Shimano Di2". However, road bikes with this are usually at least $4k: it's really something reserved for very high-end road bikes. I got a $3k road bike last year and it doesn't have it, nor does anything else in the low-to-mid range. It'll likely be a while before…

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