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SMS is not 2FA-secure

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Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #186

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So how SHOULD this problem be solved? How should account recovery work?

Apps like Google authenticator, or more conveniently, a Google voice number. The Google voice solution works well since it can't be Sim swapped, and can be accessed via email (admittedly, a potential downside).

How do you recover your google voice account if you lose that?

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #195

I want my things protected by a human with a process to unlock/reset/.. given some kind of proof of identity. Because with 99.99% certainty the person that needs to unlock the account is me, and not an attacker. Even with a dozen backup yubikeys and spare codes written down I’d still be much more likely to lock myself out than be attacked. If it’s one thing I have learned the hard way it’s that the most dangerous per…

Yup, I have the same misgivings. I hate getting locked out, but at the same time, I'm pretty paranoid and want secure passwords, don't leave copies of them around. So I've been working on a backup plan. Current incarnation is to use a simple Go cli tool with Shamir's secret sharing algo to break a password into N/M shards. The user can then do whatever they please with the shards, give some to their family, friends,…

This would be a nice solution for giving your family access after death too.

They can meet at the funeral to assemble your horcruxes.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apps like Google authenticator, or more conveniently, a Google voice number. The Google voice solution works well since it can't be Sim swapped, and can be accessed via email (admittedly, a potential downside).

How do you recover your google voice account if you lose that?

And down the rabbit hole we go...

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #39

People always focus on SIM swaps and signal security, but neither of those apply to Google voice numbers. So in the context of Google voice, is there still any reason to not use SMS 2FA?

Bank of America doesn’t send SMS to google voice phone numbers.

All of my banks and financial services do.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #188

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Walk into a store and provide a government ID and the original SIM card. If customer doesn’t have the sim/phone, send a recovery code to the billing address on file in lieu of the SIM card.

Photo ID seems like enough, no?

Problem with a government photo ID, There's no way to verify its authentic besides a visual inspection. I consider them as secure as SMS 2FA. For $200 and someone could get passable ID with your name on it.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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Not in Russia. Numerous examples exist when victim's number was linked to attacker's sim card to obtain 2FA code, then linked back to victim's sim so he does not notice anything. This happened both by government-linked parties, where they are able to coerce providers to do it, mostly targeting prominent political opposition members. It also happened without government involvement, done by provider's personnel with su…

> if you do, use a foreign SIP number with SMS capabilities Any good providers? I've tried Twilio SMS forwarding, but different services (e.g. Steam) reject it for 2FA since they're pretty much considered throwaway numbers, I suppose there's some sort of blacklist

I've had a lot of luck with Voip.ms as a provider for short-codes. Their wiki states that they cannot guarantee they work (which I take no surprise in), but I don't recall having one fail since they rolled it out. I've used it for Signal, Whatsapp, and more that I'm sure I've forgotten. Even better, SMS is forwarded to email - available from my desktop or phone.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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In Turkey if you change your SIM card your bank is notified and you cannot login to your bank account. You have to re-validate yourself with a long phone call and re-create a new password.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #131

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After using TOTP like Google Authenticator since around 2013, I now think the friction needed is just too great. Especially for banks which log you out after 15 minutes or so of idleness. Google doesn't do that. Not to mention Google Authenticator deliberately prevents these stored tokens to be backed up and transferred to a different device, which makes upgrading devices troublesome. I wish everyone would start usin…

Why not use an open TOTP app like AndOTP. I use it all the time for sites that claim to require Google Authenticator, it works, and its easy to backup the secrets as plain text or encrypted with a password. I keep it current on my primary phone and a cheap offline backup, in addition to backing up the encrypted secrets file.

I use Authy on iPhone and Mac. I am looking for an OSS replacement but would not want to setup everything from scratch after I change device reinstall the app like Google Authenticator.

Re: SMS is not 2FA-secure

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post #80

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I wish Apple added iMessage as a service to make 2FA more secure.

I wish banks and suchlike would get with the program and use Google Authenticator or equivalent. Even if iMessage could be a more secure 1.5FA, it would still be 1.5FA and not true 2FA.

My banking app requires a pin (or fingerprint) to read data, and a password to make transactions.

The website requires a temporary code, generated by a card reader and my card. It works like a 2FA code, as I need to _have_ my card and to _know_ its pin.

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