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Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by megous »

johannh wrote: post #191
megous wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My website doesn't show any popups. I have a settings dialog that user can open and setup email and other notifications. This will just not work anymore. I'll have to add some long winded FF specific explanation on what to do after clicking the button. Anyway the FF UI is broken if user physically can't see any reaction from the browser after he requests notifications by clicking anywhere on the page.

If your users are clicking a button then it should actually show the permission prompt, unless you're losing the user interaction somewhere in the callback (by doing something async first) https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/11/upcoming-notification-perm... This is a frequent "mistake"/issue however, and we're working on a mitigation for it.

I'm doing this:

https://megous.com/dl/tmp/sub.txt

I guess this is then happening because I'm first checking if there's a subscription via `pushManager.getSubscription` before creating a new one in the event handler.

Yep, dropping getSubscription makes the popup appear again.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by zamalek »

daxelrod wrote: post #153
hedora wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack has started disabling unrelated features if you disallow notifications. For instance, you can’t add channels to the “ignore @here” list if notifications are off. I’m sure this’ll get worse over time. FF needs a “disable notifications, but lie to the website and say they’re enabled” button.

I've seen sites that refuse to show you their content at all until you've enabled notifications. I like this lying idea.

It should always lie. Consistently rejecting notifications is yet another bit for fingerprinting a user (not just a device).

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by pzmarzly »

I find Firefox and Thunderbird amazing, I just miss being able to customize keyboard shortcuts. Thunderbird ones are especially evil (they don’t use any modifier like Ctrl, so I often mess my inbox up when I don’t notice Thunderbird is the focused window). Also, while Firefox for iOS is leagues ahead of e.g. Brave, it still has many issues.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by padenot »

zamadatix wrote: post #69
meerita wrote: post #27

My favorite browser since 2017. I don't miss Chrome for anything.

I really wish they'd add HDR support so my monitor would stop flickering but other than that I don't really miss much else from Chrome. Maybe the audio being better on sped up videos but that's about it.

You'll be happy to hear that we've recently dramatically improved the audio quality of sped up (and slowed down) videos, here is the ticket for the details: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1427267. This will be release in Firefox 73, in about 4 weeks (give or take a few days maybe).

HDR is very much in the list of things we want to do (especially for videos), but as you can imagine, it's not particularly trivial, and will require platform specific work, and deep changes into Firefox. On the other hand, hardware is shipping (we got some devices so that developers can start assessing the situation), and HDR content is becoming increasingly available, so we're trying to figure out what it will take to do it properly.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #84

Here's my Firefox wishlist: - Open new windows more quickly. Firefox feels sluggish (on Mac) even though it isn't, simply because it opens new windows far more slowly than Safari or Chrome. - Use the platform native key store. I don't want my passwords stored unencrypted on disk. But I don't want to enter a separate master password either. I do want to use fingerprint/face unlock on mobile to reveal passwords. - Give…

> lobby for a legally binding do-not-track header.

DNT is pretty dead, and IMHO was never a good idea in the first place. Opt-outing of invasive and unethical tracking is just weird. What about people who don't know about it? Or don't fully understand what it means?

It's almost like the Hitchhiker's Guide: "Well, you should have visited the planning department in the disused lavatory with a sign 'beware of the leopard".

I wrote some more about it over here: https://www.arp242.net/dnt.html

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by digitarald »

sergiosgc wrote: post #21
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you a devtools user? How do the Firefox ones compare? I speak as someone who originally switched to Chrome (having been a Firefox user since the Phoenix days!) specifically for the devtools — it's pretty much the biggest factor in my browser choice.

Better in some aspects, worse in others, the interface is different enough to create a bit of a transition barrier. You won't be worse off, it isn't a big effort to get used to FF devtools, but you must accept a learning curve if you want to switch.

DevTools member here. As this is something we are chipping away on, are there any specific places where the UI throws you off?

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by deith »

po1nter wrote: post #146
abcd_f wrote: post #48

Re: picture in picture - anyone else here think that this feature doesn't belong to a browser? It just seems so... erm... random, basically. Looks like something that was cloned from some other product and rather crudely shoehorned in. At the very least it should have been introduced after an update and given an option to opt-in to using it, rather than automatically enabling it without any notice.

I absolutely love this feature and the fact that I don't have to use a 3rd party extension is even better. It's also practical for websites that autopause videos as soon as you switch to another tab which I find ridiculous. I'd love for them to add a progress bar and subtitle (think youtube, netflix or prime video) in the PIP window.

>I absolutely love this feature and the fact that I don't have to use a 3rd party extension is even better.

If we went by this argument then browsers would have every single feature ever. Which they kinda do...

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by gdw2 »

perlpimp wrote: post #138

am slightly dismayed that to this day on macOS I can't use back and forward buttons even if I redefine them in karabiner. it works with other browsers, seems that autoscroll feature is no degrading gracefully when you disable it.

I mapped my mouse's back button to backspace and it works okay in FF.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #205
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #84

Here's my Firefox wishlist: - Open new windows more quickly. Firefox feels sluggish (on Mac) even though it isn't, simply because it opens new windows far more slowly than Safari or Chrome. - Use the platform native key store. I don't want my passwords stored unencrypted on disk. But I don't want to enter a separate master password either. I do want to use fingerprint/face unlock on mobile to reveal passwords. - Give…

> lobby for a legally binding do-not-track header. DNT is pretty dead, and IMHO was never a good idea in the first place. Opt-outing of invasive and unethical tracking is just weird. What about people who don't know about it? Or don't fully understand what it means? It's almost like the Hitchhiker's Guide : "Well, you should have visited the planning department in the disused lavatory with a sign 'beware of the leopa…

True, but is DNT the lesser evil compared to what we have now, which is only annoyance and effectively no control.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by marcosdumay »

zamadatix wrote: post #116
School-Cotton wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> After the recent missteps by Chrome (mangling the display of URLs) Me too! I'm not as bothered by software-politics as many of the commentators on here (I don't hate Facebook, and worked there for four years; I don't hate ads; I don't worry too much about trafficking and privacy...) but Chrome fucking with the URL was a bridge too far. I switched to Firefox and when Google walked back their hiding-the-URL business,…

The problem is it's impossible to separate "this changed it sucks" from "this is actually bad" since the messages are always the same. E.g. in this case you didn't even bother explaining why the new way works worse for you you just said "it changed, I left! Make note!" and I mean that's fine if that's what you actually wanted them to make note of but no company with competition is just going to keep every workflow th…

Yes, it requires competency and there may not even be a right answer.
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