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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by saagarjha »

tolmasky wrote: post #195
saagarjha wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone uses a desktop–I do all of my work out of a laptop, for example. It's not strange to want a powerful one, and comparing it to something completely different is not useful.

I agree! That's why my point was that if you compare the new 16 inch to the previous 15 inch, at the same starting price points -- they aren't all that different. The difference does indeed grow quite large as you reach exorbitant price points. The old 15.4 inch at $2699.00 (vs. 16 inch at $2399) was also 512GB, 16GB RAM, and 2.6GHz. This is absolutely a modest perf bump -- however it really sucks if you feel like yo…

There are probably a lot of people who can and do pay for upgraded machines, and for them 64 GB of RAM or an 8 TB SSD might be reasonable. (OK, I'm not so sure about the 8 TB storage tier…but there are probably a number of people who'd like the higher capacities.)

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Post by holler »

grecy wrote: post #188
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I have a 15inch ~mid 2014 model that works very well still! The only problems I've had were the battery losing juice, and the screen went out suddenly. The original screen also had peeled a bunch which turned out to be a manufacturers defect from the 2014 models. I took it in to apple and ended up spending ~$500 to repair the battery and the screen, and I'm almost certain that they gave me back a brand new 2015 model a few days later. It's like a brand new laptop. I really like this model and plan to keep using it as long as I can.

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Post by patatino »

saagarjha wrote: post #192
zelienople wrote: post #133

In case you haven't noticed, the planet is burning. Don't buy a laptop with a repairability score of 1.

Counterpoint: Apple's laptops have lasted me longer than any other computer I've had. I'm not sure that buying this is a net negative.

Counterpoint 2: I sold my 4-year-old MacBook Pro for 40% of the original price. Good luck doing that with any other device.

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Post by hw »

saagarjha wrote: post #192
zelienople wrote: post #133

In case you haven't noticed, the planet is burning. Don't buy a laptop with a repairability score of 1.

Counterpoint: Apple's laptops have lasted me longer than any other computer I've had. I'm not sure that buying this is a net negative.

I have had my mid-2012 RMBP since 2012 and I haven't had to repair it yet (I might be an outlier). I'm hoping to trade in my 2012 and get the 16" and have it last another 7 years.

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Post by themagician »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I find the whole debacle absolutely bizarre. The butterfly keyboard is fantastic. The only real problem with it is that the keys aren’t easily removable. If they were, you could easily clean them and/or replace them. I don’t understand why the design directive after the first ones started failing wasn’t: Make the keys easily replaceable.

They did four iterations on the original design and never made a variant where you didn’t have to replace the entire top case because of some cookie crumbs. It’s just insane.

All they had to do was redesign the hooks under the keys. I’m no engineer, but when I look at them it doesn’t seem like some kind of impossible challenge.

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Post by stefanfisk »

lathiat wrote: post #198
krisgenre wrote: post #194

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I bought the same in 2016. Last year the speakers got fried and since few months back it has started to shut down abruptly. The max time I can use it now is only around 30 mins :(

if thats on battery just get the battery replaced and you'll be good to go again

Mine was like that even when on the charger until I replaced the battery, after that it was like new again. Well worth the money!

Another thing to do is opening the bottom an removing as much of the dust buildup as possible, that shit alone explains a lot of the “my computer gets slower with age”.

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Post by numlock86 »

friedman23 wrote: post #169
tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I'm a power user and I'm really surprised you looked at this release as "just" fixing the keyboard. I'm more excited about this release than any other macbook release in the past 3 years. Increased base hd size, new graphics card with performance that stomps the previous model, more available RAM, the largest battery legally possible on a laptop, and a larger screen in the same form factor as the previous 15 inch mod…

> largest battery legally possible on a laptop

What do you mean by "legally possible on a laptop"? My current machine (some rugged mobile power house) got 120Wh and I really don't wanna get arrested. Please enlighten me.

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Post by readbeard »

wasdfff wrote: post #156
rstupek wrote: post #93

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Realistically the chance is slim. It's likely an ingrained Apple culture thing going all the way back to when Steve didn't even want the case of the Apple II to be able to be opened.

For a while they built computers to be servicable. See the ibook or the original unibody macbooks. It changed recently at least only in 2012.

Or the Mac Pro. While it’s not a laptop, the original cheese grater Mac Pro is a delight to open up. It’s amazing to see what Apple can come up with when they make serviceability a central design goal.

The new one looks nice too, though it seems significantly overpriced.

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Post by ycombinete »

numlock86 wrote: post #207
friedman23 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a power user and I'm really surprised you looked at this release as "just" fixing the keyboard. I'm more excited about this release than any other macbook release in the past 3 years. Increased base hd size, new graphics card with performance that stomps the previous model, more available RAM, the largest battery legally possible on a laptop, and a larger screen in the same form factor as the previous 15 inch mod…

> largest battery legally possible on a laptop What do you mean by "legally possible on a laptop"? My current machine (some rugged mobile power house) got 120Wh and I really don't wanna get arrested. Please enlighten me.

In the last discussion this was mentioned relative to air flight

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Post by JanSt »

numlock86 wrote: post #207
friedman23 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a power user and I'm really surprised you looked at this release as "just" fixing the keyboard. I'm more excited about this release than any other macbook release in the past 3 years. Increased base hd size, new graphics card with performance that stomps the previous model, more available RAM, the largest battery legally possible on a laptop, and a larger screen in the same form factor as the previous 15 inch mod…

> largest battery legally possible on a laptop What do you mean by "legally possible on a laptop"? My current machine (some rugged mobile power house) got 120Wh and I really don't wanna get arrested. Please enlighten me.

It's not allowed to take more than 100wh in carry-on flight luggage (in some countries).
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