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The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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von Neumann, Oppenheimer, Bohr, Einstein, Rutherford, Turing, Teller, Szilard, Wigner, Meitner... the list goes on... -- how did that time produce so many people of colossal intellect? War certainly can't be the primary factor, given that many of them were brilliant/productive even before WWI

How could you forget von Braun?

That war criminal? The sooner we forget about him the better.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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While having a much smaller population (10M), Hungary places 4th in worldwide medal rankings on the International Mathematics Olympiad [1] behind China (1.5B), USA (300M) and Russia (150M) [1]: https://www.imo-official.org/results_country.aspx?column=awa...

There were a few, very few special math classes that went against the system which delivered results. I went to one, I should know...

If we're talking about von Neumann, or even just the math olympiad, then clearly we're not talking about how well the education system serves the 50th percentile. It's possible for a system to be awful for most, and somehow find and train the top few percent brilliantly.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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> In 1945, von Neumann proposed a description for a computer architecture now known as the von Neumann architecture, Do note that he proposed a description but it wasn't his idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Draft_of_a_Report_on_the... > some on the EDVAC design team contended that the stored-program concept had evolved out of meetings at the University of Pennsylvania's Moore School of Electrical Engineering…

Wasn't this preceded by Konrad Zuse's Z1 and Z3?

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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I've taken a medication that occasionally makes me feel stupid. For a day I might be unable to continue reading a book without re-reading each sentence a few times. I might not be able to talk to people about a complicated or technical subject without stumbling over my words. I will find it difficult to think in the abstract terms, and when I listen to others who talk about abstract values and concepts I have to cont…

> If you're intellectually gifted (many programmers are) Lets not jerk each other off too hard, eh? Just like everybody in life, in any trade or profession, most programmers are just average people like everybody else. They just happened to luck out and be good at a talent that pays well. Odds are incredibly high you aren't any smarter than somebody who paints houses for a living, fills your prescription, or plays fo…

Accountants, pharmacists and programmers are smart. They have to be to do their job. Decorators, sports people and drivers for example can be smart but it is not required to do their job. I agree we should all respect each others talents and abilities that go beyond adding up numbers and thinking in symbols since these are boring talents anyway but let's not stretch the truth and say that everyone is equally 'smart'.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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I had a conversation with an elderly neurologist at a wedding on this topic. His top item of advice was to do things that put your awareness into your moving body as much as possible, as a daily habit. No surprise he and his wife were the only folks in their age bracket rocking out on the dance floor later.

> to do things that put your awareness into your moving body as much as possible Could you explain it in simpler terms?

I think this means do things that need you to think consciously about your body coordination. So dancing, rock climbing, motorcycle Enduro racing etc

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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I've taken a medication that occasionally makes me feel stupid. For a day I might be unable to continue reading a book without re-reading each sentence a few times. I might not be able to talk to people about a complicated or technical subject without stumbling over my words. I will find it difficult to think in the abstract terms, and when I listen to others who talk about abstract values and concepts I have to cont…

> If you're intellectually gifted (many programmers are) Lets not jerk each other off too hard, eh? Just like everybody in life, in any trade or profession, most programmers are just average people like everybody else. They just happened to luck out and be good at a talent that pays well. Odds are incredibly high you aren't any smarter than somebody who paints houses for a living, fills your prescription, or plays fo…

He said programmers are likely smart, not others dumb. Jeez what's with everyone picking imaginary Internet fights everywhere

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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It's not nonsense. I can't stand people who post crap like "OMG I can program so I have to have a higher than average IQ". And then they link to articles that support their little circle jerk. No. Sorry. You don't. You are average. I'm average. We are all average. Just 'cause you can code doesn't mean you are suddenly god's gift to intelligence. You aren't. Really. Sorry. You are just as stupid as everybody else. Joh…

You're stunning me here. It's like you're objecting to someone saying gymnasts are coordinated or air traffic controllers can handle a lot of stress. Intelligence is a core qualification for programming, like height for basketball. You can't say "I play basketball, so I'm taller than others", but you can say "We're all basketball players, so we're likely taller than most". We're _selected_ for intelligence.

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It's not nonsense. I can't stand people who post crap like "OMG I can program so I have to have a higher than average IQ". And then they link to articles that support their little circle jerk. No. Sorry. You don't. You are average. I'm average. We are all average. Just 'cause you can code doesn't mean you are suddenly god's gift to intelligence. You aren't. Really. Sorry. You are just as stupid as everybody else. Joh…

> Just because you can do $PROFESSION doesn't make you above average in intelligence.

That was never claimed but a different claim:

FACT: The groups of people that work in certain professions definitely have _average_ differences in IQ if we can accept that IQ exists.

That is NOT to say that any individual mathematician can say that he or she is more intelligent that the rest of the population.

Understand the difference.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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Unfortunate use of “to” or the “Krugered” programmers might have listened

Yeah. It really annoys me when people jerk off on forums about how being coder automatically makes them smarter than everybody else. And then, ironically, goes on to link to some BS article supporting their assertion. Way to many devs I meet think that knowing to code means they can understand everything. They are also the ones who fall hardest to scams (bitcoin), stupid political views (say, ones beginning with L),…

I don't know if coding makes you smart, but the causal relationship might go the other way: you're more likely to be good at coding, the smarter you are.

Re: The Unparalleled Genius of John von Neumann

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post #174

A question to mathematicians: what does your mind look like when you prove a theorem? There is a comment here, saying that many hard theorems require one to build a complex branch of math and use it to prove a single statement. So I asked myself: what does it really look like to prove a theorem at such level? I can tell what's going on in a programmer's mind. Software is very much like an imaginary mechanism and soft…

I think you are experiencing "typical mind fallacy". https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/baTWMegR42PAsH9qJ/generalizi...

I imagine there are programmers who build objects by imagining people asking them questions and thinking what the objects would answer, or all kinds of other things. People for whom Spring's Repository/Service/Controller/View are real things with personalities or flavors. I tend to think in a mix of "If I could just tell the computer what to do in English, what would I say?" (function names) and "Whose responsibility is this? Is this really their job?" (classes).

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