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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

mdorazio wrote: post #54
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support. The dollar has a scalability problem that BAT doesn't.

Is trading dollars for BAT on an exchange and then loading those BAT into your browser's wallet such a bad alternative?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by spir »

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I ran an information site for an Ethereum project[1] and was pleased to see that our first revenue came from visitors' BAT donations. It wasn't a lot of money. But, it was fully automatic and easy to use. Our site earned BAT before we even signed up as a publisher. I signed up to claim the money.

[1] https://predictions.global/

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by compscistd »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

This is a fair sentiment, but under a model where the user decides where ad revenue goes, who would want to host the ads? It has to either be the browser (like an extension that pushes toasts) or your desktop (same thing, different context).

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#204

Post by gruez »

bvda wrote: post #26
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I wonder why they chose to use (yet another) crypto currency for this.

>(yet another)

That part's simple: why wouldn't you want to create money from thin air?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by viach »

> You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if you watch a particular YouTube channel 30% of your browsing time, it will send 30% of 10 BAT each month to that content creator.

If you would own a video streaming service (a startup!) and some company started to pay your users for viewing ads on your platform in some MagicMoneyCoins putting your pocket outside the cash flow, what would you do?

If you would want to receive organic traffic from your ads and instead start to experience crazy stream of incentivized ad clickers with near zero conversion rate, what would you do?

Imo the answers to these questions are not that pleasant for Brave. Maybe I'm wrong of course, like the most of times.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Lev1a »

gnicholas wrote: post #172
MentallyRetired wrote: post #164

As a Firefox user, is there a reason to convert? Seems like a step backwards to me, even though I applaud what they're doing.

In my experience (2017 MBP running Mojave), it is much, much faster than Firefox. I have lots of tabs open, and my fan almost never kicks on anymore. With FF, even using ublock and even a pihole, the fan was constantly at full throttle. Maybe I was doing other things wrong, but switching to Brave has made a huge difference for me. I say this as someone who stood by FF for a decade and a half.

> With FF, even using ublock and even a pihole, the fan was constantly at full throttle.

Is that still the case even with FFs recent update to version 70[1]?

[1]: https://mozillagfx.wordpress.com/2019/10/22/dramatically-red...

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#207

Post by bad_user »

have_faith wrote: post #98
bilbo0s wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all honesty, I'm not sure how I feel about this model? I'm one of those people who has been out saying that the web needs a new business model. Well, here one is, and yet I find myself a bit hesitant to embrace it? It's probably just a matter of needing more information to fill in the blanks and explain the contradictions. That said, my mind tends to automatically start strategizing the long game, and I'm uncertai…

> my mind tends to automatically start strategizing the long game Ditto. The long game seems to be to become an alternative Google of sorts. In the sense that Brave becomes the ad delivery middle man to every web user like Google and FB currently is. With regards to the current business model, I don't think it's broken at all. What is broken is the expectation that because users find most internet content so worthles…

Another perspective is that people don't want to pay for content, because we've been brainwashed to get content for free.

For example in the press high quality investigative journalism is dying because people would rather get stuff for free and it's much cheaper to pick up stories from somewhere else and give it a sensationalist title.

It's why online newspapers are struggling because people would rather read shitty blogs written by quacks promoting alt-truths, for free, than pay $2 per month.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#208

Post by lawtalkinghuman »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #201
mdorazio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

But the ecosystem around dollars is so parasite-riddled that if you tried to move cents for each ad you didn't see, you'd end up paying more in transaction fees than would make it to the content creators that you're trying to support. The dollar has a scalability problem that BAT doesn't. Is trading dollars for BAT on an exchange and then loading those BAT into your browser's wallet such a bad alternative?

The creators end up getting a crapto token at the end of it and then have to wait a long time to accumulate enough to justify the time, hassle and transaction fees to turn it back into actual money they can spend on beer/rent/etc. All for some tiny fraction of the browser market.

Meanwhile people are living off Patreon and other services like it.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#209

Post by gfody »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

this ultimately gives you more control though, assuming your OS's notification system is reasonably configurable

Re: Brave launches 1.0

#210

Post by ajhurliman »

hinkley wrote: post #160
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

You had me... > Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system outside of the page. and then you lost me. Hitting people with notifications is an escalation of ad hostility, not a reduction.

100% agree. I tried the program but the ads are incredibly obnoxious. I really wanted to like it, but I just didn't.
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