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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by CydeWeys »

calbear81 wrote: post #191
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

How about e-ink instead? Having 100 individual LCDs seems like it's be energy expensive.

The problem with both of these is they'd just be expensive, period. And solving a problem I don't often have.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by bszupnick »

calbear81 wrote: post #191
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

Reminds me of a phone I used to have: https://gizmodo.com/samsung-alias-2-e-ink-flip-phone-review-...

The keyboard was fully E-ink, so it changed based on the app or orientation of your phone. It was pretty awesome!

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by kelnos »

Klonoar wrote: post #131
mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

I've had the opposite problem: I love Apple hardware, but have never been a big fan of macOS. Unfortunately, since 2016 or so, Apple has been putting so much non-standard, proprietary hardware in their laptops (getting worse and worse every year) that the struggle to get Linux running well enough on them has been more than I've cared to deal with, so I recently jumped ship (junk like the Touch Bar and the general keyboard issues haven't helped my opinion either). I genuinely do like my new Dell XPS 13, but it still just doesn't have the same nice feel that a MacBook does.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mmmBacon »

karpodiem wrote: post #18

Would it materially harm a company with a trillion dollar market cap to offer a version of this without the touchbar (thus yielding a lower price), so people can afford to upgrade the soldered memory and NVMe drive? Would it also harm them to make a version that didn't have soldered memory/NVMe drive? Ultimately, this is why I switched to a Dell Latitude. Being user hostile to basic memory/disk replacement doesn't fl…

One way Apple has become a trillion dollar company is by minimizing skus. Options mean inventory, development and test costs etc... and can be sources of quality problems triggering warranty repairs or replacements. Doing few things allows one to streamline both product development and manufacturing.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by baybal2 »

alvern wrote: post #59

So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

> for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals

45W is easily doable, gaming notebook vendors can easily get up to 100W in a mobile package.

Apple and other "major brands" had a string of borderline laughable engineering mistakes over the past 5 years.

For example, in their latest 12 inch Macbook, they simply put a blower to work as an exhaust fan, but then forgot that the keyboard membrane has no sealing just above it.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ghaff »

Zenst wrote: post #136
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

When it comes to function keys, you either use them lots or rarely and for the former, yes - a physical key is prefered by far. However I see the advantages in other situations with the touchbar, however it would be great if the users had a choice. How hard would it be to have the touchbar in a modular design form that was user changeable and they could fit a row of keys instead? However, there is always the option o…

>WHen it comes to function keys, you either use them lots or rarely and for the former, yes - a physical key is prefered by far.

Yeah, I used function keys all the time back in the DOS days. These days, it's mostly to change sound volume.

To your broader point though, modularity can be tough. It inherently adds bulk and cost. And, now, you have connectors that can/will fail.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

8draco8 wrote: post #87
ai_ja_nai wrote: post #48

For less money something more open and more powerful? https://system76.com/laptops/galago Here is a nickel kid: buy yourself a real computer -Dilbert

Can I use on it my company provided Adobe suit to create images, sprites and mockups and then use them to create iOS apps?

Sure, just install OSX-KVM and run macOS as a VM

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Frost1x »

Klonoar wrote: post #131
mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

I recently went through the experience of having to adopt OS X after switching employers coming from primarily using unix flavors and Windows my entire career, avoiding OS X at every turn.

My summarized conclusion is that: OS X isn't that great. It's not "bad," don't get me wrong, but it's nothing marvelous. Perhaps at one point in time there was some advantage over a Windows or linux environment but at this point in time, unless you're tied to some package tied to a specific environment for some reason, just work with the environment you're most comfortable with. I don't know how much time I've had to waste adjusting to the OS X environment (especially muscle memory keyboard shortcuts I'm accustomed to), finding replacement niche applications that were environment specific, figuring out how to do basic tasks that are simply different.

On that note, avoid committing to a specific environment unless your application really needs to squeeze out every cycle of performance. It's 2019 and we have portable options now for most application demands.

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