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U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Post by FussyZeus »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #60
FussyZeus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The globe increasingly feels so connected as to make people not question where things like social networks reside. In the mind of average people, until they have a political axe to grind, the Nation is all but obsolete. The only time the idea has any sticking power is when people are concerned about jobs. Other than that, nobody seems to care all that much.

It's not about a "political axe", its about being adversely affected by the policies of that nation. Unless other nations began to intrude on their daily life people don't care what those nations do so they may as well not exist. Part of why China has been in the minds of (some) Americans lately is its becoming obvious they are trying to apply their censorious nature to US citizens on US soil, sometimes using US comp…

Oh yes it’s absolutely privileged. Doesn’t make it less true. The GP asked why Americans were so ready to use a Chinese social network. My answer is they don’t care because they don’t think of it as overtly Chinese, and those that do don’t really care unless they have a reason to.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #170
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #130

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

The false equivalence is strong with this one. In no way shape or form is it even remotely similar.

I challenge you to find a person in Eastern Europe or Middle East who wouldn’t crack up reading your comment. The realpolitik the US, China and Russia use are very similar.

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Post by logicchains »

thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #116
feelthepress wrote: post #10

Oct 14: "TikTok has moved into Facebook’s backyard and is starting to poach its employees" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/14/tiktok-has-mountain-view-off...

If they're highering engineers at "20% above Facebook compensation", it really doesn't make sense. In china they could higher roughly 15 top engineers for the price of 1 engineer in the bay area (in China there's an even bigger surplus of engineering talent).

That's simply not true. A top engineer in China costs at least $100k, no way Facebook is paying its engineers ~$1.5 million. ByteDance is famous for paying high salaries: https://crm.org/articles/3-million-pay-packages-how-a-chines....

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Post by vkou »

cortesoft wrote: post #163
tanilama wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> corporate censorship policies Which in a large part with preference tailored to US

Yeah, but not the US government.

Why should a Canadian, or European care about the difference between US government laws affecting the services and media they consume, versus US corporate policies doing the same?

It's a distinction without a difference. They don't have any redress, or ability to influence either US corporations, or the US government, much like how Americans have no ability to influence the CPC.

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

chadmeister wrote: post #165
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #130

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

Great point! Now I we don't have to worry about it. Move along everyone, nothing to see here!

I don’t see the parent comment suggesting that you don’t have to worry about it.

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Post by ploxolo »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #130

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

I agree with your premise. Still, at some point one has to pick sides and I know I by far prefer a world ruled by the US than a world ruled by China. That there are situations that could improve I won't argue but it does not change what is preferable for most people in the planet I would say.

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Post by nullc »

So HN changed the headline to remove TikTok which is a name I reconized and replaced it with "ByteDance" and "Musical.ly", which I've never heard of before. It was originally displayed on HN the same as it is in the article.

From the article, I know that the new headline is more precise. But it's much less informative, I wouldn't have clicked the article under this name.

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Post by dirtyid »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #130

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

>It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ideology... I mean salary depends upon his not understanding it

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Post by aianus »

quaquaqua1 wrote: post #199
CharlesColeman wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I absolutely do not understand why there is so much hate for Chinese people, Chinese companies, or the Chinese government. > please do not act as if your statements about Chinese nationals I think it's misleading to bring up the Chinese people in this way: the "hate," if it can even be called that, is for the Chinese government and the CCP . The real or imagined influence of the CCP over Chinese companies is causin…

I agree that the Chinese people are victims of their government. Why then is there no outrage that Americans are the victim of their own government as well? If TikTok is banned by the US because of the actions of the Chinese government, then we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps, as if apps should even have a nationality in the first place.

> we are no better than the Chinese government who have banned countless "American" apps

If someone punches you (bans your apps, bans your companies from operating and acquiring companies in their country) and you then punch them back (ban their companies from acquiring companies in your country) you are not the same as them.

The order matters and they started it.

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Post by draw_down »

chadmeister wrote: post #165
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #130

While I agree that Chinese soft imperialism is bad, I think it's tremendously funny that Americans are complaining about it now, after years of using military and economic power to enforce a similar imperialism everywhere.

Great point! Now I we don't have to worry about it. Move along everyone, nothing to see here!

It's only bad when other countries do it.
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