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Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by jimclegg » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:48 PM UTC

throwaway_bad wrote: post #47

dekhn wrote: post #39

I have to say, this is really the only way to respond to China when it comes to their no-humor censors: just come out and mock them. They don't really have any way to reply. One wonders if there is an entire revolutionary class within China sharing South Park videos for freedom.

Sometimes we forget that getting disappeared in china is not just a meme. Police will show up to arrest you just for posting comments online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOAbkTs_a4

Looks similar to what happens in the UK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Xr4nfKsWk

Wonder what she typed.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by dr_dshiv » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:48 PM UTC

Konnstann wrote: post #181

dekhn wrote: post #151

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if you want to deny the lived experience of african americans in the US, you're free to do so (it falls under free speech) but frankly I think making ivory tower-level statements like this ignores an extraordinary amount of evidence that african americans (and many non-caucasians) experience systemic racism that affects their economic opportunities and health.

I grew up in a majority non-white area, and am now subsequently living in another majority non-white area. I can count on one hand the number of beat cops I've seen in those cities. Seems to me if there's a higher crime rate, the amount of cops increases, and the likelihood you get stopped increases as well. On another note, when did Caucasian become a term for white people? As an actual Caucasian, having immigrated…

To introduce some humor into this deeply humorless world (this is a South Park comment thread), try hearing the word "Caucasian" as "Cock-Asian."

Ha! Gets me chuckling during every intense race-relation debate. I can't not hear it, now!

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by ddrdrck_ » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:52 PM UTC

corodra wrote: post #121

ddrdrck_ wrote: post #101

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Brainwashing millions of people is a terrible thing to do, but I don't believe it is on the same level of atrocity than genocide and mass murdering. Nazis did not try to "assimilate" Jews by forcing them to reject their religion and traditions, and by forcing weddings between aryan and jews (could you imagine that ?).

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Do you really believe that all the people actually incarcerated in these "re-education camps" will actually be killed directly or indirectly (forced labour, starvation) ?

If it is the case then I agree it would be comparable to holocaust or other genocides. But it is not what is happening at the moment, and I am convinced it won't happen (there has been no mass murdering in Tibet afaik)

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by danso » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

gonational wrote: post #89

grievances wrote: post #78

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Many brave people have fought and died for their countries and rights. Its easy to forget that minorities and “unlucky” people fight too; knowing that you’re safe expressing your points of view is something that many have earned, not all have received. That very much sounds like privilege to me.

We fight to make this country what it is so that we can all stand together as one people, not so we can whine like little babies about who’s more privileged or marginalized than everyone else.

Which marginalized group, when fighting "to make this country what it is", hasn't been opposed and mocked (e.g. "whiny little babies) by the status quo at the time of their fight?

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by ckpcw » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

j8014 wrote: post #185

throwaway66920 wrote: post #18

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Meanwhile in America you are liable for insulting vegetables https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws Point is, every country has exceptions, and indexing on irrelevant edge cases isn’t especially useful. America is pretty darn good at free speech. But so is, say, Canada.

That has nothing to do with free speech. If I grow some vegetables and sell them and you come along and start advertising that they are poisonous with 0 evidence you can be sued by me for damages.

It really is about free speech, though. What if my religion decrees that your vegetables are poisonous?

'free speech' also includes zero-evidence claims, and even lies! Freedom of speech == Freedom of fake news.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by corodra » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

ddrdrck_ wrote: post #194

elliekelly wrote: post #124

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I was referring to "Chinese government's mass incarceration of ethnic minorities". The purpose of these camps is to brainwash these people so they lose their ethnic (muslim) identity and do not even think about rebellion. This is terrible and horrible, especially children separated from their parents, most probably for ever. But once again it is a totally different "evil" than what Nazis did. It would be closer to wh…

I'll say, I was a bit of a dick to you in my response. So sorry. You clarified your stance a bit.

But, you're falling into the trap. Every time "re-education" camps have popped up in history, bad things happened. Very bad things. You don't give the benefit of the doubt to this. The organization in question always claimed the whole "we're just helping" and other bullshit.

Ever meet a habitual liar? Someone that just lies and twists facts constantly. Even when they don't have to. Gives you an aneurysm from having to deal with their constant bullshit? It's more for their own sociopathic dominance ego rather than just the situation's consequences. But they just twist and manipulate every fact or try to skirt around issues with rhetoric. A reason why lots of folks hate lawyers, because that's literally their job to re-interpret facts and laws to suite an outcome (yes, not all lawyers are like that, a bit of a generalization, but it's to communicate a point). That is what is happening here.

They're not detainment camps, we are re-educating people here, to be proper Chinese citizens. No, Chinese people don't die here.

This can be valid statement and millions of people could be buried under the floor boards. China has a wonderful practice of making people "non-people" or we westerners would just view that concept as "non-Chinese". One example was during the 1 child policy, child 2, 3 and so on, wouldn't be granted Chinese citizenship, even though they were born in China, by Chinese parents. So, if you have an ethnic group you don't consider Chinese, because you can "take that away"... well of course they don't kill or harvest from Chinese people!

This is how communists communicate. This is soviet old hat doctrine. There are no Russian spies in America. Yes, because technically they're Soviets. There is no problem with any Russian nuclear power plants. Yea, because it was in the Ukraine. Or how about a shit ton of that denial from the recent blast in August until forced to admit it? Got to love their wording though on the people killed: “A bright memory of our comrades will forever live in our hearts." They died in an explosion... bright memory...that's fucked up by the way.

Lying without lying. We all use to make fun of this shit in the 90s and early 2000s. What happened in the 2010s? How did we all forget that communist regimes are the best at double speak? The only way to deal with this is call out their bullshit for exactly what it is and not back down.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by danso » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

laheyBro wrote: post #163

asimpletune wrote: post #105

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If you’re an African American male you have to be very careful how you express anger, however justified it may be. If you’re a female, it’s more difficult to be taken seriously or heard in meetings, and people constantly talk over you. If you’re basically anything that’s not white, people will embarrassingly coddle or patronize you, if they’re not prejudicing you. I never really thought about specific examples until…

What a ridiculous statement. The US is the least oppressed society in history. Especially for women and minorities.

What does "least oppressed society", a comparative term, have to do with the claims made by the parent commenter? That designation does not preclude the existence of any disparity or injustice.

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Post by jeffdavis » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:57 PM UTC

trhway wrote: post #188

jeffdavis wrote: post #176

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There is more to be done to protect, secure, and expand the rights of everyone. But they are still rights. Privileges are things granted to you, often conditionally, by someone else. Using the word often sounds quasi-religious to me: "Thank Privilege for this meal we are about to eat, and our safe home, ...".

>Privileges are things granted to you, often conditionally, by someone else. Using the word often sounds quasi-religious to me: "Thank Privilege for this meal we are about to eat, and our safe home, ...". most people didn't do anything do get whatever rights they are enjoying - they were just born into these rights while many other people don't have those rights. Pretty much definition of privilege. > Calling our rig…

Rights can, in theory, be had by everyone. Privileges are inherently for a select few.

Wouldn't the world be wonderful if all 7 billion people had free speech?

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by mhandley » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 4:59 PM UTC

Paul-ish wrote: post #160

parkersweb wrote: post #29

Click the link to watch the episode: https://southpark.cc.com/sitewide/img/messages/geoblock/gb.j... The irony is not lost...

I'm not sure what your point here is?

I think the irony is that South Park is self-censoring for the European market. I know that's not equivalent to state censorship, but it's still ironic.

Re: 'We good now China?' South Park creators issue mock apology

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Post by Steltek » Tue, Oct 08, 2019, 5:00 PM UTC

rwj wrote: post #85

olalonde wrote: post #54

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That and the idea that Chinese citizens see themselves as oppressed. As crazy as it may seem to us, they're overwhelmingly supportive of their government.

And how was that measured? One of the lessons from the falls of authoritarian governments was how big a gap there was between public expressions of support and peoples' true feelings.

That's a really good question. You can't realistically go door to door asking people if they support their oppressive government. How do marketing folks get a pulse with public expression of opinion or survey results? Click rates and referrers on controversial stories?