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Re: Facebook Horizon

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My colleagues were excited by the prospect of Facebook's new Dating feature. I couldnt think of any 'layman' reasons not to use it.. they weren't too concerned with their privacy nor did they care if others had their data, because they "did normal stuff and had nothing to hide".. How do you guys bring the point around to average people who don't care about privacy?

This is my goto:

First, at scale, if an engineer can think it, statistically speaking there is an engineer who will do it.

So let's pick a theoretical: Imagine you have all these photos of people with their faces - at the club, hugging at the pub etc. Then you can track who has a criminal record, due to what they post, key words, etc. And then you can track who statistically speaking, has a high chance of having a criminal record (but may not have). Then you can track these individuals moving around in various social circles. And then you look at peoples group photos, and raise a flag when there is cross-over between the circles. This is vastly interesting of course, but... who said it was cool to examine me and the people I meet to make that judgement? Even if FaceBook are not doing it now, who said it was cool to amass all this data so they CAN make this judgement, at anytime in the future.

This behaviour in a person is called being "a bit judgey". When facebook do it, it's "a bit judgey"...with parallelized computing and machine learning.

I'm not a criminal. I'm a totally chill guy. It literally wouldn't make me worried for myself if Facebook did this. But, I just find the whole role they can play...annoying.

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Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

> you get to talk to people from all around the world i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

You realise you are using the internet right now?

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Maybe it is just me getting old but when I was watching that part when she was talking about "getting out there, trying new things, making your mark", something really deep in me was screaming NOOOO!, this is not right :-/ I was always into tech but this video makes me want to throw all my devices away, move to some old house in abandoned Spanish village and grow my own tomatoes. And the disturbing part is that I am…

> you get to talk to people from all around the world i would say this is a bug not a feature. it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world.

> it should take time and effort to talk to people all over the world

No, it shouldn't, that was the whole point of the global Internet (ignoring its origins), to drill into people's thick skulls that in the end we're all very similar, that most of the "local culture" crap it's just that, CRAP, and deep inside we're all driven by the same fears and desires. That ANY kind of war means just fighting against other people that are just like you and that in the end it's not worth fighting. That we can have the global village, and keep our special tribal/nationa/race identities too, there's no contradiction there.

Hope AR, VR and later neural implants get implemented and deployed in ways that empower this vision instead of the opposite, that they manage to push further in the one-world-interconnectedness direction of the 90s internet.

I used to dislike corporations like Facebook... but now I'm pretty sure I'd rather live in a globalized world ruled by such corporations, than in a separated and restricted one ruled by governments representing "nations"! I'd swallow the AI-powered-corporate-surveillance part as a minor inconvenience if it manages to deliver the "one world" dream... I'm just afraid that most corporations aren't truly powerful and globally distributed enough, in the sense that they could at least in theory overpower the governments of most of most of their base countries if push comes to shove and they need to fight them for more freedom and connectivity. Maybe if they'd drop central control and organize themselves more into "cells" or something similar... there's got to be something in the whole Ethereum and distributed systems experiment that can become successful and power this. Heh, maybe once Libra gets traction more can be built on top. Go Facebook!

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

It's disturbing to me that there are people who created, ok'd, and released this video, prob thinking, "hey, this is great!"

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I don't think this is actually true; being close to some deep learning research groups, it's really surprising how powerful GPUs have gotten. Improvements over the last few years have been very nonlinear; it's kind of astonishing. And, internet latency has also gotten very good. I bet it's totally possible to make something like this now, though most people don't realize it yet!

Run the game in the cloud, stream to the VR. The more you pay for cloud computing, the better your graphics. Why no company is doing that already?

Google is, with Stadia

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They're possible now, but you also need expensive hardware to run them. This is meant to run on the oculus quest. Give it a few more years (and probably a few more) and portable ultrarealism will get here eventually.

A technology like Google Stadia will probably solve this. Nobody will need a expensive hardware to run it. The graphics will be generated in cloud computing and streamed to the VR. Keep creating hardwares to run better graphics is a dead end.

The speed of light says no. “The cloud” will always have too much latency to do acceptable vr. To meet your deadline for a 120hz video frame, your signal can travel at most 1500 miles in a vacuum, closer to 1000 miles in copper/fiber.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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At OC1 (possibly OC2, my memory is a bit vague) they handed out copies Ernest Clines' book Ready Player One. It was pretty clear this was the direction they were going to head, even if they seem to be blissfully unaware that they're closer to the antagonists in the story (IOI) than Gregarious Simulation Systems.

Note: I have nothing specific against Facebook

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A technology like Google Stadia will probably solve this. Nobody will need a expensive hardware to run it. The graphics will be generated in cloud computing and streamed to the VR. Keep creating hardwares to run better graphics is a dead end.

The speed of light says no. “The cloud” will always have too much latency to do acceptable vr. To meet your deadline for a 120hz video frame, your signal can travel at most 1500 miles in a vacuum, closer to 1000 miles in copper/fiber.

> “The cloud” will always have too much latency to do acceptable vr.

Perhaps but you haven't established that.

> To meet your deadline for a 120hz video frame, your signal can travel at most 1500 miles in a vacuum, closer to 1000 miles in copper/fiber.

Edge computing is a feature of some modern clouds, and certainly is intended to have much lower round trip distance than that to at least major markets, specifically to reduce latency.

Admittedly, public cloud offerings don't tend currently to have compute resource suitable for hosting VR in their edge offerings, but it's certainly something a major cloud player supporting their own gaming/VR offering could do, and for that matter a feature that it is easy enough for public cloud vendors to offer if there was sufficient demand.

Re: Facebook Horizon

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Is it just me or is their intro video disturbing? A world where your significant other is next to you but deep in their own virtual world? Hasn't Facebook done enough to disconnect people from the real world? Given the lengths Facebook has gone through to keep users engaged and addicted to their platform, what's stopping them from doing the same with Horizon?

It is a little, but to me mostly because of the apparent time of the day (morning/noon). Me and my SO often immerse in different things while in the same room. Could be as simple as both reading fiction, or I could be playing video games while she watches TV. It's not what we do over breakfast, though! If the video showed couples doing their own thing while it's already dark outside, it would be more natural. VR to m…

Virtual worlds are socially acceptable as long as you are killing people in them.
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