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WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources

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Re: WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources

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We Co isn't a tech company. Its a landlord subleasing commercial realestate as short term month to month leases with snazzy furniture. They happen to have a mobile app. Its functionality is so poor they removed the pay snack bar in my SF WeWork because no one could pay through the app. CloudFlare... Now there's a proper tech company.

Yes! They even use lava lamps in their lobby to generate entropy.

Which is a gimmick, to be clear.

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Recruiters from WeWork reach out to people with a pitch that they are unicorn tech company. They lose me with that line.

Not sure if I'm just young, but my friend's over 200k total comp would have made me think twice about an offer. It's not the highest, but seems fairly competitive in sf

How much was the cash comp? I would value any equity at 0. Plus they would have to offer extra cash as a premium for volatility and a negative brand image.

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As someone living in SF, I don’t think anyone in SF or SV would ever consider WeWork to be a “Silicon Valley” company in the same way that Uber or Twitter or Slack is. The company has 0 tech brand among employees (how many ex-FB or ex-Google engineers work there?) and outside of Benchmark’s early round none of the VCs are SV-based. Point is the media is making this out to be an indictment on some SV tech bubble but p…

It's not "Silicon Valley", it's Silicon Valley . As in the show. My wife just started a contract at a new WeWork office in London. The lobby features a giant but non-functional as skateboard ramp, and two DJ booths, both manned (at 9am on a Monday). The bathrooms feature the very latest in digital toilets, but they aren't flushing, and nobody can figure out how to reboot them. At an aesthetic level, this couldn't be…

I think I've heard about that skateboard ramp - they put desks in the middle of it or something?

Re: WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources

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As someone living in SF, I don’t think anyone in SF or SV would ever consider WeWork to be a “Silicon Valley” company in the same way that Uber or Twitter or Slack is. The company has 0 tech brand among employees (how many ex-FB or ex-Google engineers work there?) and outside of Benchmark’s early round none of the VCs are SV-based. Point is the media is making this out to be an indictment on some SV tech bubble but p…

It's not "Silicon Valley", it's Silicon Valley . As in the show. My wife just started a contract at a new WeWork office in London. The lobby features a giant but non-functional as skateboard ramp, and two DJ booths, both manned (at 9am on a Monday). The bathrooms feature the very latest in digital toilets, but they aren't flushing, and nobody can figure out how to reboot them. At an aesthetic level, this couldn't be…

I work at a WeWork in London, which one is your wife going to, that sounds insane...

Ours just has bathrooms & coffee machines that are offline for weeks at a time.

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Blue Apron just seems so unnecessary. You still have to do all the work! Just go to the grocery store and buy stuff there? You can get recipes online for free. I do all my shopping on Saturday at Trader Joe's and spend very little for lots of food which I then cook. There's so much wasted materials and trash with Blue Apron. I don't get it, but then I don't have any trouble cooking for myself and my family. I didn't…

Everything you said is accurate, but that doesn't mean there isn't a place in the market for Blue Apron. People are paying for convenience. Think of it like a house cleaning service. You don't NEED to hire someone to clean your house, but it makes your life a little easier and for some, that's worth it.

Except this is like buying a small package of cleaning utilities for one cleaning and then cleaning the house with it yourself. In your analogy, the cleaning service would be ordering food from a restaurant.

The utility here is very marginal, and there are alternatives that make your life even easier.

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post #85

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Blue Apron just seems so unnecessary. You still have to do all the work! Just go to the grocery store and buy stuff there? You can get recipes online for free. I do all my shopping on Saturday at Trader Joe's and spend very little for lots of food which I then cook. There's so much wasted materials and trash with Blue Apron. I don't get it, but then I don't have any trouble cooking for myself and my family. I didn't…

Isn't this a re-run of 'Dropbox is unnecessary when we have rsync'?

Except the average Joe has no idea what rsync is let alone how to set it up. Not sure we can say the same thing about grocery shopping

You can criticise a company without being in a Dropboxrsync situation. Especially when that company is not doing so well.

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> you're probably worth only $20B This is something I don't get. Pretty much all of these businesses are aiming at dominance on some sector. They entered into the game with the understanding that it's all or nothing. If they don't achieve that dominance, or if the sector itself turns out to be less than worthwhile, isn't it more likely that these companies are worth essentially zero, rather than some percentage of th…

Perhaps dominance is not required, despite their beliefs? There is more than one huge car company and a bunch of medium sized ones too. It's possible some investors are buying in because they think they are getting into a viable-when-dominance-not-required business on the cheap. (Me, I don't understand any of these businesses (We, Blue Apron etc) and let someone else take the risk.)

At the returns the investors want, dominance is required.

Lots of consolidation happening in auto manufacturing too, along with most fields. Even of the car makers that exist, I wonder how many would be kept propped up by a country just to ensure they retain manufacturing capability in case of war.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-renault-m-a-fiatchrysler-...

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Certainly not as much, but there is still quite a lot of invisible packaging you don't see up the grocery store supply line. Just about everything in the grocery store comes in a big cardboard box.

And just about everything that Blue Apron or any of these other companies package comes with similar invisible packaging, so the delta is still the same per amount of veggies. Or is your point something different that I missed? Also note that the delta is a big big percentage of the base packaging, and I am willing to bet it's over 100%, if not 500%, just cause there are so many packages made from few large boxes.

Plus the existing physical stores have the advantage of economies of scale. I always wonder what that means for the whole B2C e-commerce supply chain compared to individual traffic to brick and mortar stores.

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You're not wrong about OP's confusion, but a quick note that uber recently reported quarterly revenue of ~3.1bn which means "tens of billions" annually is exaggerating a little. Does uber count it's fees as revenue or does it count fees and the fares (which get passed back to the drivers) as revenue? My opinionated take is that if uber wants to pretend that drivers are not employees and it's just a marketplace then t…

> My opinionated take is that if uber wants to pretend that drivers are not employees and it's just a marketplace then they shouldn't be booking the fare as revenue, just their cut but I'm not an accountant and I don't make the rules. Good point, but Uber literally takes the money through its app, so I don't suppose that would be possible.

Yea, classic case of low vs. high margin businesses. Travel is a great example. You would think sites like Expedia would make a healthy margin on airline tickets. Due to the way it's set up (booking systems, airlines, competition) the actual net per ticket is something like $5 for domestic flights. Last I checked Expedia specifically, most of their revenue was on hotels.

Contrast that with a high margin business like consulting services or a proprietary technology/product and there's a huge difference in net profit between the two at $10m annual revenue.

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