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this is totally beyond me. So a company making a profit from a product made by another company by just hosting it is not exploitation? Does this happen in any industry? A company that makes product for free and another takes it as is and sells it is not an exploitation?
People sell Linux laptops, which has Ubuntu “as is”. This is not generally an exploitation.
Homebrew removes MongoDB from core formulas
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Re: Homebrew removes MongoDB from core formulas
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What you do mean by the "mongoDB trap"? Are you saying companies are hurt by the license, or are you saying companies are hurt by software's behavior (e.g. consistency model)?
A lot of companies got lured into using mongodb because it was so developer friendly. It cost nothing and it was easy bring in the back door and alleviated the need for thought. Then their sales people started coming around and asking for insane sums of money (like $10,000 per instance per year plus 100% markup on hardware to run in AWS - support is extra). They were worried about amazon and others offering a better…
CouchDB is quietly weeping in a corner.
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Why not just use Postgres, set a field as jsonb, done?
Why use Postgres just to store JSON? The entire tooling around Mongo is better for JSON Data. Not to mention the LINQ driver.... And you can’t do updates on individual JSON fields in Postgres.
Re: Homebrew removes MongoDB from core formulas
#204I'm astonished at all the comments that vilify MongoDB Inc and then talk about moving to AWS's MongoDB clone. What sort of twisted world are we living in where a company makes a service, tries to sell the service, and then are lambasted when they try to prevent a competitor from copying it wholesale? Cloud providers have been able to stand on the shoulders of giants, profiting immensely from millions of lines of open…
We live in the world where we can see a bait and switch for what it is. MongoDB was advertised as being Open Source and Free Software , distributed under an OSI-compliant and FSF-compliant license. Now they are trying to eat their cake and have it too. > " then are lambasted when they try to prevent a competitor from copying it wholesale? " Because that's not what open source is about. Open source is about contributi…
To what end? Why should we use a fork that's supported by a few people when we can still use the Community Edition that's from the horse's mouth? The idea of forking things for the fun of it actually perpetuates the problem that we already have with OSS. We want to get things for free, use them to make money, but still expect support for new features and bug fixes. This is worse when someone does this in their 'free time'.
Let's discuss the merits of forking from when it was open source. Percona has a fork, or is it not fit for purpose as they also adopted the SSPL thing?
Wait, how has a fork of MongoDB also adopted MongoDB's evil license? How are they able to take contributions from MongoDB and package them under the same license? Do they share the source code internally, or do they upstream changes that are in the open?
> Why the fuck should we care what their business model would be? That's for them to figure out.
Isn't restricting Amazon and others from profiting from their efforts part of figuring out this business model?
> But if they sell something as open source and they close source it, then we, the schmucks that bought into it, will point out that MongoDB is no longer open source and treat it as a proprietary piece that comes with the caveats of proprietary software, lock in, etc.
Did MongoDB sell you their product as open-source? Which specific product? Was it the Community database, or the Enterprise one? Your argument lacks substance, because you're responding to someone who's asking why people are moving to another closed source product, one whose source code you can't even inspect.
Re: Homebrew removes MongoDB from core formulas
#205I understand the removal of non-OSS-compliant software from core distributions, and see little controversy in that, as it's the risk of changing a license. What I don't understand is the many people who are talking about AWS' replacement being a solution for people migrating from MongoDB. From the comments, it seems: - it's expensive to use. Someone spent $15 for 2KB data over 3 days [ https://news.ycombinator.com/it…
If people accept that what MongoDB did with its license is acceptable because the OSS model failed for them, then the viability and future of the OSS model might come into question. People tend to come to believe something organically and then later cherry-pick facts and observations that back those beliefs up. So even if MongoDB did what it had to do, or did what would otherwise be morally defensible in the most pop…
Rationally, MongoDB's decision made sense because of the real actual threat of AWS and others offering alternatives (at various levels of baking) that seek to undermine MongoDB.
If this is the path that we choose to take, we'll see more companies go back to the closed source model (which MongoDB hasn't gone in).
Re: Homebrew removes MongoDB from core formulas
#206I'm astonished at all the comments that vilify MongoDB Inc and then talk about moving to AWS's MongoDB clone. What sort of twisted world are we living in where a company makes a service, tries to sell the service, and then are lambasted when they try to prevent a competitor from copying it wholesale? Cloud providers have been able to stand on the shoulders of giants, profiting immensely from millions of lines of open…
> What sort of twisted world are we living in? One in which OSI obviously is paid by cloud vendors to denounce alternative licenses, lobbies for developers to be treated like kattle open for abuse, yet portrays themselves as representing developers, and bogusly claims ownership of the term "Open Source", contributing to monopolization and the weaponization of developer's work for surveillance a la Android.
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#207Serious question: can someone explain why the server side public license is not an open source license, with specific reference to AGPL? Is it because of the provision forcing the source code release of auxillary software used to run the software as a service? As far as I can tell, it meets the FSF's free software definition and the only that seems questionable in the OSI's open source definition is point 9.
> can someone explain why the server side public license is not an open source license Depends on what you think 'open source' licence means. The source is literally openly available. There are just some extra restrictions on what you can do with it. The FSF and the OSI don't own what 'open source' means, of course - the term predates them and comes from intelligence.
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> What sort of twisted world are we living in? One in which OSI obviously is paid by cloud vendors to denounce alternative licenses, lobbies for developers to be treated like kattle open for abuse, yet portrays themselves as representing developers, and bogusly claims ownership of the term "Open Source", contributing to monopolization and the weaponization of developer's work for surveillance a la Android.
The OSI has a clear definition for what they deem "Open Source" that hasn't changed since it was written down '98, based on the Debian project's Free Software guidelines. This was all long before cloud vendors could have payed them for anything. And they have, as far as I know, a very non-bogus claim on the term as they coined it to distinguish their (less strict) definition from FSF's "Free Software" term.
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#209Example:
Here’s a fantastic new mixing machine. You can make your own for free and use it in other applications such as making smoothies or cakes. You may not start an industrial mixing biz and charge money for it. That’s my biz model.
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The cheapest option is 0.277$/hr just for the instance. https://aws.amazon.com/documentdb/pricing/
It's interesting that people would pay amazon, but not mongodb...