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Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by terminalhealth »

dang wrote: post #200
terminalhealth wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain what exactly makes this flamebaiting? I find the lack of modesty in the West at times appalling, so I can empathize with cultures with strict levels of modesty. It is also quite clear that women tend to behave more childlike and are less willing to take on responsibility. So it's not oppression, but cultural adaptations to biological realities. That's all.

Gender and religion are two of the issues that people have the most painful history with and the most passionate feelings about. If you make pejorative general statements about those topics, you're certain to provoke others into quick and hostile replies. That's flamebaiting. It sounds as though you believe you're simply describing facts, but that is bewilderingly far from true. To most readers here, saying things li…

Thanks. Us full-time nerds sometimes need to be reminded that people have all this emotional baggage. It is actually scientifically clear that women are childlike, both in physique (relatively large eyes and heads, shorter, weaker) and behavior (crying, emotional instability, docility etc.). Admittedly, the effects of modesty have never been studied scientifically to my knowledge, but it seems very logical that tabooing sexual signals should reduce bad feelings due to sexual competition, envy, mate guarding etc.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by streb-lo »

terminalhealth wrote: post #201
dang wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gender and religion are two of the issues that people have the most painful history with and the most passionate feelings about. If you make pejorative general statements about those topics, you're certain to provoke others into quick and hostile replies. That's flamebaiting. It sounds as though you believe you're simply describing facts, but that is bewilderingly far from true. To most readers here, saying things li…

Thanks. Us full-time nerds sometimes need to be reminded that people have all this emotional baggage. It is actually scientifically clear that women are childlike, both in physique (relatively large eyes and heads, shorter, weaker) and behavior (crying, emotional instability, docility etc.). Admittedly, the effects of modesty have never been studied scientifically to my knowledge, but it seems very logical that taboo…

Thanks.

Flamebaits

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by tempsolution »

"if Damore had applied the same arguments to race"

Yeah right, because gender and race are interchangeable. Because the difference between women and man are the same as having a different skin color or culture. LOL. And people like this actually made it to be the top Google executives. What a joke.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by theflyinghorse »

esoterica wrote: post #96
pcstl wrote: post #75

I find it somewhat hypocritical that this article describes Google as a safe haven of dissent and open discussion, while it is pretty unanimous that expressing even slightly right-of-center opinions at Google will have you ostracized and possibly fired.

I'm willing to bet you have a pretty wild idea about what "slightly right of center" means. The most recent "conservative" Googler in the news whining about being fired (Cernekee) was an open white supremacist.

I'll bite just because I'm curious.

I support strong border control and Canadian style immigration (point based/merit based).

Where on the spectrum do you believe this idea lies?

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by irinai13 »

high_derivative wrote: post #42
segmondy wrote: post #32

My eyes are hurting from seeing these articles whining about their misery while collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Most companies have issues, and these issues are not "Company" issues but PEOPLE issues. Once you're large enough, you are going to have people with differing opinions, beliefs and values. These are going to clash. If you happen to be on the losing side and don't learn to accept it, y…

My inside-FAAMNG experience has been that most employees seem to be not interested in the politics and are primarily focused on doing good work (people in their 20s), or on putting in their 8 hours and going home to their families (people >30 mostly, of course they also want to do good work, just have additional new priorities in a young family). Then there is a vocal minority who leverage that no individual's perfor…

I so agree with you. You seem cool and smart.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by jlebar »

high_derivative wrote: post #42
segmondy wrote: post #32

My eyes are hurting from seeing these articles whining about their misery while collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. Most companies have issues, and these issues are not "Company" issues but PEOPLE issues. Once you're large enough, you are going to have people with differing opinions, beliefs and values. These are going to clash. If you happen to be on the losing side and don't learn to accept it, y…

My inside-FAAMNG experience has been that most employees seem to be not interested in the politics and are primarily focused on doing good work (people in their 20s), or on putting in their 8 hours and going home to their families (people >30 mostly, of course they also want to do good work, just have additional new priorities in a young family). Then there is a vocal minority who leverage that no individual's perfor…

> My inside-FAAMNG experience has been that most employees seem to be not interested in the politics

...or perhaps they're not interested in talking about politics with you.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by einpoklum »

Utter self-delusion - either by the author, or by Google employees, or possibly both.

Google has been evil from... well, depends on how you look at it, but if not from Day One, then certainly by the time they started GMail. The whole point is to maintain a vast surveillance network over as many Internet users as possible (later also mobile phone users), to try to capture as much of what they do. The use is for deeply personal and intrusive ads, but also for mass government control (NSA gets copy of everything, remember), individual government control and intervention (through subpoenas by less-secretive agencies), and gradually - the shaping of public opinion and knowledge through more and more targeted changes of search results and content recommendations. And of course - nothing is ever erased, nor will it ever be.

Oh, also:

> To invent products like Gmail, Earth, and Translate, you need coddled geniuses free to let their minds run wild.

Google didn't invent any of this stuff. They were just able to put a lot of compute power and storage behind it before others did.

Re: Three Years of Misery Inside Google, the Happiest Company in Tech

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Post by komali2 »

andonisus wrote: post #105
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no, some of the projects mentioned in the article, like Project Dragonfly, involved developing the kind of censorship tools necessary to prop up dictators like the ones you mentioned. That’s not whining imo, that’s standing up to exactly the breed of ‘True Evil’ you define here. We have seen this before in tech: Nazi Germany was probably IBM’s second largest customer at the time. There is a moral imperative t…

My opinion is that someone is going to be providing that service, so it might as well be me (better the devil you know than the devil you don't).

Exactly the reasoning used by arms dealers.
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