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Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by paulcole »

leereeves wrote: post #195
kupiakos wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're referring to specifically the trend that negative usage of the term SJW is usually by cishet (non-LGBT) white men regarding discussion of policies/politics that would not directly benefit them.

Everyone is advocating policies that directly benefit them. It's only ever a problem for the left when straight white males do so. Surprisingly, straight white males are just like everyone else, advocating their own self-interest. That's not evil, that's natural.

AFAIK it’s possible to go against your natural urges and do things that benefit other people. We do live in a society and not a cave.

I mean, it’s natural to hunt for my dinner but sometimes I have a salad instead of trapping and eating the neighbor’s cat.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by darkerside »

clairity wrote: post #131
darkerside wrote: post #112

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I think that's a side effect, not the primary reason for introducing layers of management. The real reason is, you just can't scale am organization without it. Managers are there for enforcing accountability. If directors have few enough reports to enforce accountability on their own, there is no need for a manager.

adding management layers is just one way to solve the coordination problem caused by scaling (which you do because you think the business can become more profitable). you can also scale a business horizontally rather than vertically, but that doesn't have the property of shielding executives from their decisions, nor of centrally controlling information (which allows them to capture more of the value produced by the…

You always scale horizontally first. At some point, having 15 managers, each with 10 direct reports, all reporting up to one director, is just not going to work. At least, not in any way I can see, but I'm interested to hear your ideas.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by [deleted] »

paulcole wrote: post #201
leereeves wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is advocating policies that directly benefit them. It's only ever a problem for the left when straight white males do so. Surprisingly, straight white males are just like everyone else, advocating their own self-interest. That's not evil, that's natural.

AFAIK it’s possible to go against your natural urges and do things that benefit other people. We do live in a society and not a cave. I mean, it’s natural to hunt for my dinner but sometimes I have a salad instead of trapping and eating the neighbor’s cat.

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Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by [deleted] »

paulcole wrote: post #201
leereeves wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is advocating policies that directly benefit them. It's only ever a problem for the left when straight white males do so. Surprisingly, straight white males are just like everyone else, advocating their own self-interest. That's not evil, that's natural.

AFAIK it’s possible to go against your natural urges and do things that benefit other people. We do live in a society and not a cave. I mean, it’s natural to hunt for my dinner but sometimes I have a salad instead of trapping and eating the neighbor’s cat.

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Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by leereeves »

paulcole wrote: post #201
leereeves wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is advocating policies that directly benefit them. It's only ever a problem for the left when straight white males do so. Surprisingly, straight white males are just like everyone else, advocating their own self-interest. That's not evil, that's natural.

AFAIK it’s possible to go against your natural urges and do things that benefit other people. We do live in a society and not a cave. I mean, it’s natural to hunt for my dinner but sometimes I have a salad instead of trapping and eating the neighbor’s cat.

Absolutely, and we have. So when will it be your turn to be generous to us?

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by samrosea »

Osiris wrote: post #4

I've spent most entire career at relatively small companies (25-100 employees). I've never seen these types of issues (I can't say they've never happened, I'm just not aware of any). In fact, reading these stories is probably why I've never had the desire to apply to work at any of the large tech companies. I can't say for certain what the differences are, but I think smaller companies tend of have less office politi…

lol yeah sure that's why youve never applied to FAANG

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by [deleted] »

Pfhreak wrote: post #158
groundlogic wrote: post #148

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...no? I think you maybe don't get the whole "don't be political at work" thing.

I suspect the parent poster is pointing out that you might not be aware of political issues in your workplace because they don't impact you. How is your access to a gender neutral restroom or shower facility? Do you have a quiet place to pray multiple times per day? If you need a place to breastfeed (not a restroom), is that something available? What about dilating post gender reassignment surgery? Does your workplac…

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Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by paulddraper »

dsr_ wrote: post #166
paulddraper wrote: post #162

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Company washrooms are not really politics. Put that in the idea box all you want.

https://ballotpedia.org/Transgender_bathroom_access_laws_in_... QED.

Are you talking about every washroom in a legal jurisdiction (city/state/nation)? That's politics.

Or are you talking about the washroom down the hall? That's just your typical company policy.

Quod non erat demonstandum

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by lrem »

lrem wrote: post #198
lazyasciiart wrote: post #165

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What's the incidence rate per pregnancy?

That is a very good question. At some point the board disclosed the maternity benefits rate, I'll see if I can find it. But my guess would be on the "it's fine" side, this is the only one of the dozens of scandals I remember that involved a discriminated pregnant woman.

My search-fu failed me here, no data has been found.

Re: Google Employee Alleges Discrimination Against Pregnant Women in Viral Memo

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Post by zadkey »

Osiris wrote: post #4

I've spent most entire career at relatively small companies (25-100 employees). I've never seen these types of issues (I can't say they've never happened, I'm just not aware of any). In fact, reading these stories is probably why I've never had the desire to apply to work at any of the large tech companies. I can't say for certain what the differences are, but I think smaller companies tend of have less office politi…

I wouldn't say for sure that smaller companies have less politics.

Some smaller companies are fine. But the ones that aren't very profitable and are older, or are a child company of a parent company, no guarantees.

But I have seen the bad kind. You think you are in a work-hard play-hard environment and it turns out it is really a "good old boys" setup.

I've seen people play football outside for over an hour some days, but then someone else gets fired for pulling out a bed and resting for 15 minutes during their lunch break. And yes there was a bed in the closet at the office.

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