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Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by brian-armstrong »

gnicholas wrote: post #192
brian-armstrong wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fairly shocked to find that a community of seemingly technically competent people would forfeit their 4th amendment rights in order to save a few seconds keying in a passcode. This small detail feels like a microcosm of tech in general currently :/

Who’s forfeiting anything? If you don’t want to unlock your device for law enforcement, just use the sleep/lock button to make your phone require the passcode (which the police can’t legally compel you to give, I believe). It takes several seconds to key in a reasonably secure passcode, and it ceases to be secure if you type it in view of any security cameras. Also, if you open your phone 50 times per day, it’s way m…

You're counting on your ability to (and memory to carry out) access and disable your phone after encountering law enforcement?

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Post by dkonofalski »

hanniabu wrote: post #146
noncoml wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t even mind the touchbar. Just give me back the Escape key!

They removed the escape key? What the..... I'm never going to retire my 2013 MBP at this rate.

They didn't remove it, at least not functionally. There's still an ESC, it's just on the Touch Bar now.

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Post by paul7986 »

2019 is another year I’m stuck with my iPhone 8 from 2017. I use to upgrade every year then some genius at Apple thought bigger phones are the only way to go from here on out. Maybe that person no longer works there?

Also Touch ID over Face ID or offer both or I’m not interested along with millions of others!

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Post by la_barba »

S_A_P wrote: post #32

I have thought long and hard about upgrading my iPhone 8 to one of the new X models, but I don't like the lack of a home button. I guess I am officially old now, but I dont want to look at my phone to unlock it. I like that I can reach in my pocket, and unlock it with my thumb as I retrieve it. It may be user error, but I see several co-workers have to really train the phone on their face to unlock with Face ID. That…

Yeah, I think you are forced to re-train how you pickup and use the phone. An older non-smartphone could be easily picked up by grabbing the entire girth of the phone. With smartphones, people learned to pick it up using the side edges without triggering any touch interactions. Old-folks found this confusing as they constantly kept inadvertently dialing someone or launching random apps. At-least with the change from non-smartphones you got a bump in functionality, the face-id change seems to be entirely superficial to me. I'm still rocking my 6s, but will have to eventually upgrade when Apple slows down my phone with their updates. I held on to my 4s too till it became unbearably slow..

One feature I'd upgrade for is if Apple completely sealed off their phone and made it waterproof.

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Post by dkonofalski »

zippergz wrote: post #193
vbezhenar wrote: post #182

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What's wrong with touch id? I never used face id, but fingerprint sensor on iPhone 8 is good. It unlocks at the same time I'm pressing on button, so most of the time I don't notice it at all. And I almost never getting false negatives. I can't imagine how face id might be better, but I can imagine how it can be worse.

In my experience, Face ID is much faster and more seamless. Basically it's like my phone isn't locked because before I'd even have a chance to think about it, it's unlocked. I was VERY resistant to losing the home button, but I find that the new gestures are much more natural for me. Obviously this is a personal preference thing, but for quite a while I had a touch ID iPad and a Face ID iPhone, and it was really nigh…

I'm the same way. I was an iPhone 7 hold out for a long time because I didn't see the value in Face ID or any of the other stuff and now I really regret holding out as long as I did. Face ID is so seamless and it's just so much smoother to do everything. Going back to my work phone is more than a bit awkward trying to remember how many times to tap or double press to do whatever. On the iPhone XS I have the gestures really make a lot of sense to me.

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Post by dkonofalski »

vannevar wrote: post #130
friedegg wrote: post #111

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I guess it depends on how you define innovative. The iPad was unveiled in January 2010, and while there were other tablets before it, and it was similar to the iPhone, it has now started to replace a regular computer for many people.

True, but the Microsoft Surface came three years before the Pro. And even if the iPad Pro were dominant, the iPhone and iPad are so closely related as products that counting the iPad 'innovation' is double-dipping a bit.

That's like saying that a bathtub and a swimming pool are the same thing because they both hold water.

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Post by eanzenberg »

gonational wrote: post #121
MaysonL wrote: post #8

And the stock increased over 4% in after-hours trading, as increases in non-iPhone hardware sales and services overcame the decrease in iPhone sales. Earnings per share slightly beat the consensus forecast. An interesting quote from Cook in the press release: "The balance of calendar 2019 will be an exciting period, with major launches on all of our platforms, new services and several new products"

If one of these major launches is a MacBook Pro with the same (or better) specs (esp video graphics) as their latest MacBook Pro, but without a TouchBar, they will get at least $2,500 from me. If one of these major launches is an iPhone X-like phone with a thumbprint reader (home button or otherwise), they will get at least another $1,000 from me.

As a shareholder, thank god you are not a decision maker.

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Post by ksec »

skrowl wrote: post #23

iPhone sales continues to decline (down another 13% vs this quarter last year), but services are making up for it

It is worth point out this is 13% down in Revenue. Given Apple have a higher price range of iPhones this year, ( the iPhone XS Max ) and higher entry level price compare to last year with iPhone 6s. The unit shipment must have been down ~20%.

Apple did make price adjustment in China, including cutting wholesale price and promotion. I am wondering if those eats into Profits.

Having said that, in the Conference Call:

-Active iPhone installed base grew to a new all-time high in every operating segment ( Including China )

-Install base growing, people are holding onto devices longer, but staying inside the ecosystem

And interesting bit on 5G. Tim Cook says Apple doesn't comment on future products, but says it is "extremely early innings" for 5G, especially on a global basis.

May be we wont even see a 5G iPhone in 2020.

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Post by mrpigeonpants »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #131
mrpigeonpants wrote: post #104

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I'd expect Porsche to put out a minivan first.

They put out a SUV, and all the laughing didn't stop it or purchases.

Thats a great point. There's a precedent of them heading in that direction. Although with Apple, they're trying to make keyboards that can be activated by a light sneeze or slightly higher than usual barometric pressure.

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Post by ironic_comment »

threeseed wrote: post #143
dkarl wrote: post #116

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I like the gestures, but the unpredictability of when FaceID is going to work is maddening. Sometimes it works with sunglasses, sometimes not. Sometimes it works in the dim light of my bedroom, sometimes not. Sometimes it works when I absolutely don't expect it (half my face hidden in my pillow, towel wrapped around my face, complete darkness with face illuminated only by my lock screen) which only fools me into half…

TouchID fails because of a wet or dirty thumb. FaceID fails when your face is not fully visible.

FaceID fails when my beard length changes from week to week. FaceID is not as reliable as the marketing department claims...
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