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Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by cr0sh »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #178
bidifferential wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No ingenuity is a match for police. You’re going to have a real hard time getting the typical American to buy into this perspective.

We aren't talking about America or Americans. Not that cops in USA restrain themselves... Hong Kong is more or less an island, a small one. China can fill the "1,104-square-kilometre (426 sq mi) territory" with soldiers and police in a heartbeat. Nothing you can do, cops already know the 1000+ leaders of the movement and they will be arrested or killed in the first hours. Etc etc

> We aren't talking about America or Americans.

Not yet.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by cr0sh »

L_226 wrote: post #112
keanzu wrote: post #42

Excellent analysis here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20492145 The Chinese and HK governments have realized they've lost the culture wars and public opinion so they've resorted to the tried and tested handbook of authoritarian governments, to create a cycle of violence to create justification for cracking down. This is a provocation. Protesters will now counter arm themselves with similar bats and stick…

HK police have already uncovered a stash of TATP stockpiled by "protesters" - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/20/asia/hong-kong-explosives...

> TATP stockpiled

Anyone who knows anything about explosives - knows you don't "stockpile" TATP.

It's a highly energetic explosive that will go off if you look at it sideways.

Storing it? You'd have to be a fool.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by goobynight »

tluyben2 wrote: post #155
ginko wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know that the agreement was for Hong Kong's way of life to "remain unchanged" for 50 years. So it should have been 2047 when they can start thinking about integrating Hong Kong.

Yes, your parent poster is incorrect about the facts; they (China) did sign to leave HK be until 2047, not ‘start integration’ in some kind linear process where 40% of the time means 40% integration. They signed for 99.9999% of the time is 0% integration. But he is right about the reality; no one will defend HK it seems so China might as well push ahead in that case. I like HK a lot; I have not found a place as diver…

I'm glad I had the chance to live and work in HK from summer 2016 -> Fall 2017. It wasn't the best place ever, but I'd hate to see it lost.

Seeing this is crazy.

As for diversity, it's a unique mix. Notable quantities of French, British, Americans, Indonesians, Filipinos, Thais, Indians, and locals. Indonesians and Filipinos are obviously insanely marginalized, as domestic helpers, but they were cool to hang with on their 1 day off per week.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by L_226 »

cr0sh wrote: post #202
L_226 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HK police have already uncovered a stash of TATP stockpiled by "protesters" - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/20/asia/hong-kong-explosives...

> TATP stockpiled Anyone who knows anything about explosives - knows you don't "stockpile" TATP. It's a highly energetic explosive that will go off if you look at it sideways. Storing it? You'd have to be a fool.

Yes I agree. Also note the new in packaging yellow helmets etc, you'd think if they were actual protesters the protest accoutrements would at least be a little bit used (or knowing HK police, shall we say, thoroughly used)

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by maxerickson »

meddlepal wrote: post #62
RankingMember wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really think that armed citizens would have a chance against the current US military? Weaponry has come pretty far since the days the 2nd amendment was created.

The point isn't to win against the US military by overpowering it, but it is to cause enough damage, death, and collateral that you bring the US government to the negotiating table when supporters realize the cost of prolonged battle. You also want to make it look as brutal as possible to get foreign support and condemnation on the world stage. Also we really don't know what would happen if the US military was asked…

Sherman's March to the Sea is a nice example of how this plays out.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by coupdejarnac »

sho wrote: post #60
spiderdev wrote: post #16

A co-worker of mine just returned from visiting mainland China. She said everyone she spoke to, did not know about the protests in Hong Kong. They had no idea that something was happening there.

Claiming not to know was a way to avoid talking about it. Anyone in China who wants to know, knows. Of course the people in Shenzhen, less than 30km away, are aware of what's happening in HK. They just have no desire whatsoever to get into a political discussion with foreigners. Don't underestimate the "them and us" mentality in China. It's very pervasive. Your co-worker was assuredly on the "them" side of the equati…

I don't think that's the whole picture. Unless they are actively consuming foreign news, they are likely to be underinformed at best.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by tluyben2 »

goobynight wrote: post #204
tluyben2 wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, your parent poster is incorrect about the facts; they (China) did sign to leave HK be until 2047, not ‘start integration’ in some kind linear process where 40% of the time means 40% integration. They signed for 99.9999% of the time is 0% integration. But he is right about the reality; no one will defend HK it seems so China might as well push ahead in that case. I like HK a lot; I have not found a place as diver…

I'm glad I had the chance to live and work in HK from summer 2016 -> Fall 2017. It wasn't the best place ever, but I'd hate to see it lost. Seeing this is crazy. As for diversity, it's a unique mix. Notable quantities of French, British, Americans, Indonesians, Filipinos, Thais, Indians, and locals. Indonesians and Filipinos are obviously insanely marginalized, as domestic helpers, but they were cool to hang with on…

I like the massive diversity of people and land; I am in a forest with cobras and rare turtles; 30 minutes on a ferry to a densely populated city. 24/7 eat/drink/party minutes away from where you are in most places. Complete rest and nature the same distance. Cheap as chips and hella expensive on the same streets. I just cannot find anything like it. I think Bangkok comes closest but it is just not the same dense nature (personally I have 0 interest in beaches; I like forest, high humidity and steep climbs through that).
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