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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jackaroe78 »

molteanu wrote: post #194
stale2002 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

> funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people You're talking about US, right?

Obviously

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by barry-cotter »

yongjik wrote: post #181
barry-cotter wrote: post #173

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Given the choice between a government that poses no threat to it but is illiberal and any possibility of a liberal government the US always opts to harm the illiberal government. Libya complied with all arms control treaties and is buddy buddy with Italy. Doesn’t matter, as soon as someone whispers democracy the US does their level best to fan the flames of war. There’s an authoritarian democratically elected governm…

> Given the choice between a government that poses no threat to it but is illiberal and any possibility of a liberal government the US always opts to harm the illiberal government. This makes sense only if you define "liberal" as "aligned with the interests of Washington and/or American corporations". For god's sake, USA supported Saddam Hussein while he was gassing Kurdish civilians during the Iran-Iraq war. https:/…

In a war between secularists and theocrats the liberal power will have no difficulty in deciding which side it finds more ideologically simpatico.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by Phlarp »

stale2002 wrote: post #191
knowThySelfx wrote: post #184

I do not know how others feel. But I feel resentment towards embargoes (and calling their poodle countries to follow suite) placed on other countries just because they don't tow your line. Going to Iran's backyard and threatening them and then cry when they retaliate (a pretext to start war)...its so...pathetic. In fact most of the 20th century wars were started using this kind of baiting.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

>We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people.

No, that's Saudi Arabia, our partners in peace.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by h0l0cube »

ars wrote: post #62
RidingPegasus wrote: post #33

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Where do people get these talking points from? Intelligence chiefs have testified in front of congress that Iran was following through with it's end of the deal. The US then unilaterally decided to tear up the treaty and put in economic sanctions based on nothing. It's almost as if they want Iran to build nuclear weapons. It's also putting pressure on Europe to pull out of banking and business ties that were built af…

> Where do people get these talking points from? From the text of the deal itself? All the nuclear restrictions were for "15 years", and some for 10 years. After that? Unclear. Surprised at the downvotes - read the text for yourself: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2165388-iran-deal-tex... search for 15 years, it's the plain fact of the matter, not some "talking point".

Most deals of this nature are going to have a sunset clause, this doesn't seem to be a big deal. Before 15 years is up, there's just a new negotiation.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by seqizz »

mattigames wrote: post #41
smnrchrds wrote: post #6

Dear devs, Please stop using Google Cloud Platform to host your projects. GCP blocks Iran, so by hosting any part of the app on GCP, your apps become impossible to access from Iran. Azure and AWS do not do this. This form of blocking is exclusive to GCP. After the switch to GCP, Iranians lost access to gitlab. Firefox Monitor is blocked in Iran for the same reason. The list goes on and on. I don't believe Mozilla tea…

Or... maybe developers should not play the games the Iran goverment want them to play and every effort should go towards throwing the current dictatorship not to stop using what they want us to stop using?

Oh sorry, how many times did you overthrow your government? Any tips?

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

solveit wrote: post #73
Consultant32452 wrote: post #68

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Iranian media announced and then the IAEA confirmed Iran had breached the limit on uranium they were allowed to store. >The U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which monitors Iran’s nuclear program under the deal, confirmed in Vienna that Tehran had breached the limit. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-usa/iran-rej...

Yeah, after the US unilaterally pulled out of the deal.

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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by _ptgt »

yongjik wrote: post #196
_ptgt wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Supported" in the sense of "not letting being conquered completely by Iran." Who was carrying out its own mass executions of non-Muslims and implementing its own cultural revolution around that time. America definitely had some self-interest in protecting Iraq, but it's not like the alternative was clearly a better choice either.

> "Supported" in the sense of "not letting being conquered completely by Iran." Iraq started the war.

Right, that doesn't mean it went well for them.

The US didn't provide significant aid to Iraq until it feared the Hussein government being overrun altogether.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Ir...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by knowThySelfx »

stale2002 wrote: post #191
knowThySelfx wrote: post #184

I do not know how others feel. But I feel resentment towards embargoes (and calling their poodle countries to follow suite) placed on other countries just because they don't tow your line. Going to Iran's backyard and threatening them and then cry when they retaliate (a pretext to start war)...its so...pathetic. In fact most of the 20th century wars were started using this kind of baiting.

> just because they don't tow your line. Let's be specific what we are talking about here. We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people. So, let's rephrase your original statement to instead say "just because they continue to fund militant groups that kill lots of people". Rephrased that way, your original comment does not sounds so reasonable.

>> We are talking about a country funding lots of militant groups that kill lots of people

I wish it was so one sided like we wish to paint it here. But starting a thread about this will only contribute to a never ending discussion thread. There is no moral high ground here. What we can do is to step away from this madness and try to make a general sense of it. All this warmongering is unneeded.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ars »

h0l0cube wrote: post #204
ars wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where do people get these talking points from? From the text of the deal itself? All the nuclear restrictions were for "15 years", and some for 10 years. After that? Unclear. Surprised at the downvotes - read the text for yourself: http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2165388-iran-deal-tex... search for 15 years, it's the plain fact of the matter, not some "talking point".

Most deals of this nature are going to have a sunset clause, this doesn't seem to be a big deal. Before 15 years is up, there's just a new negotiation.

No, most deals have a withdrawal clause, where either party can end the deal.

They don't normally have a set end date.

A set end date basically means Iran plans to restart activities on that date without any kind of sanction. There's a reason this deal was so heavily criticized.

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