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Re: The Toyota Way

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Curious would anyone like to learn about Toyota production system (lean manufacturing) implementation at Zenbooth factory in Berkeley, CA? We've thought about doing tours.

If I was in the USA, in a heartbeat. I have got so much buy-in in the past by taking senior people on tours and showing them the things I am trying to get them to buy. Seeing things in action is much more powerful for many people than dry documents.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Maybe don’t edit your post next time? Especially after people have replied. That’s a very dishonest mode of discussion.

What was edited? The discussion still appears to make sense.

I'm alluding to the fact that a whole generation of software developers who grew up idolizing Japanese video game companies got bait and switched to pursue the manic automation principles of a car company rather than enjoying the joy de vivre of our heroes at Nintendo -- the respondent didn't get that my question was rhetorical to begin with and gave an essay-length diatribe on what I consider wholly misguided literature so I switched gears into troll mode and the whole thread blew up

Re: The Toyota Way

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>I had the brake fully depressed with around 100kg of force, and the engine was revving to attempt to overcome the brake No, it wasn't. An engine's speed (RPM / "revs") is directly proportional to the drivetrain speed -- the RPMs literally cannot increase unless you are 1) accelerating (actual drivetrain speed going up), 2) shift to a lower gear then slip torque converter to rev match (I assume you're driving automat…

This is just plain wrong. The poster didn't say they were at a standstill but that they had the brake pedal pressed. That means the engine could have downshifted into 1st gear and started to rev noticeably. The engine would also produce more power (and sound very different) when taking up load, even under the same RPM. Finally, as the other reply pointed out, the engine can spin a clutch or CVT.

The poster said that the brake was fully depressed with around 100kg of force. It won't take long for that to be in a standstill. And there's no way acceleration can overpower that kind of brake power. The sound might be scary but it won't change much about brake performance.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe don’t edit your post next time? Especially after people have replied. That’s a very dishonest mode of discussion.

What was edited? The discussion still appears to make sense.

The “Nintendo releases more software than Toyota” comment wasn’t the original. My response made no sense so I removed it and asked why they thought they needed to change their response.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Ironically Toyota now has longer product lives than many other mainstream manufacturers. The Camry and Corolla are on roughly 6 year product lifecycles. The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years.

> The 4Runner has barely changed in 10 years. To be fair, that may be a purposeful design decision. I consider the fact that the 4Runner can trace its way back to a 1980s Hilux that Top Gear dropped off a building (and still survived) to be nothing but good for its likely reliability. Similarly, its primarily dial-based dashboard (as opposed to the touch-screen everywhere fad right now), truck-based suspension, and o…

Yeah I pretty much don’t need my 4Runner to have touch controls.

Re: The Toyota Way

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> As I’ve heard it, Deming was having trouble getting people to listen to him made me chuckle - its not like he did anything of value... Deming has always been a reminder to think about counter tendencies. He might not have made sense to the Detroit execs in 1950-1975 but his relevance changed sharply after that.

Deming didn't do "anything of value"? Considering Kaizen and the concept of continuous improvement in Japan is mostly attributed to him. The prime minister awarded him the Order of the Sacred Treasure and recognizes him for their post-war rebirth as an industrial power. Detroit did everything wrong at the time (see GM's disaster in automation at their Hamtramck facility [0]). Even when American execs were posed with…

> Even when American execs were posed with a simple question of why their own employees didn't buy their product they didn't understand the disconnect between quality, reliability and the awareness of the buyer.

That's hilarious. Do you have a source for it?

Re: The Toyota Way

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post #173

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This is just plain wrong. The poster didn't say they were at a standstill but that they had the brake pedal pressed. That means the engine could have downshifted into 1st gear and started to rev noticeably. The engine would also produce more power (and sound very different) when taking up load, even under the same RPM. Finally, as the other reply pointed out, the engine can spin a clutch or CVT.

The poster said that the brake was fully depressed with around 100kg of force. It won't take long for that to be in a standstill. And there's no way acceleration can overpower that kind of brake power. The sound might be scary but it won't change much about brake performance.

Bad clutch plus bad brakes (but not so bad as to be unserviceable in light, normal use). Story is not implausible.

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The Top Gear reference is powerful but in my opinion, meaningless. All it has done is coin the legend of the invincible Hilux. However, I did not see them or anyone try similar tricks with trucks of similar vintage, making this just a show trick.

> The Top Gear reference is powerful but in my opinion, meaningless. All it has done is coin the legend of the invincible Hilux. However, I did not see them or anyone try similar tricks with trucks of similar vintage, making this just a show trick. The reputation existed before the show, that's where they got the idea.

I understand, but no one has referenced the less-shiny, real world, imperfect experience in this thread; they have quoted the shiny and superficial Top Gear shtick, which I must admit was the first time I started to develop a considerable distaste for that show. Their attempt has introduced an unfair halo effect for Toyota that has deflected from their more relevant and modern day failings.

Re: The Toyota Way

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Whenever I see articles like this, I like to remind people that a great production system doesn't make a company more honest or accountable. Unintended acceleration flaw in Toyota models around 2005 to 2011, due to firmware bugs: http://www.safetyresearch.net/blog/articles/toyota-unintende... Great for USA customers. They were made whole. I personally was driving a 2011 Toyota minivan in Thailand in 2013 when I suffe…

Weirdest thing, a colleague had unintended acceleration in a Toyota 4WD of much older vintage, 80s or early 90s. Must have been something different entirely, those things were much more mechanical in nature.

Often badly-placed floormats could also cause this issue. I remember a few automaker recalls in the prior decade that comprised of adding hooks to the floor boards to avoid floormat movement.

Re: The Toyota Way

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This American Life had an interesting episode.

A car plant in Fremont California that might have saved the U.S. car industry. In 1984, General Motors and Toyota opened NUMMI as a joint venture. Toyota showed GM the secrets of its production system: How it made cars of much higher quality and much lower cost than GM achieved. Frank Langfitt explains why GM didn't learn the lessons—until it was too late.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015

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