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Post by jessaustin »

ethbro wrote: post #161
d3v0 wrote: post #139

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The US government doesn't care about privacy, they care about other nations spying on their citizens. It is evident from all the leaks of NSA/CIA that they spy more on their citizens than other nations'.

Technically, the US spies on the world... and shares info about their citizens with a number of other governments. On the other hand, the US isn't currently occupying, detaining, and requiring patriotic reeducation for an ethnic minority within its borders. I feel like an "It's already happening, and this is what you get" appraisal cuts less favorably towards China than the US.

Oh yeah we've been very kind to ethnic minorities in USA. Please ignore the Indian reservations and (not current, barely) kidnap-and-assimilate Indian boarding schools. Please ignore the racial disparities in prison. Please ignore The Drug War...

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Post by jessaustin »

freehunter wrote: post #109
em500 wrote: post #86

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It appears now that the US government can order Google, Qualcomm, Intel, and even non-US companies like ARM to do basically whatever it wants, and has shown no qualms in the past about spying on their European allies. From the a non-American POV the US does not have a clear moral high ground.

You're assuming the US government cares if a non-American thinks it has the moral high ground. I would be shocked if any decision maker ever considered that before making a decision.

...non-American...

You don't need this qualifier. Our leaders don't care about the opinions of us, their subjects, either.

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

fishtacos wrote: post #53
vkou wrote: post #38

It's nice to see the government picking winners and losers in the market.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in. The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei an…

Patents and copyright are the prime example of the government picking winners and losers in the market.

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Post by zwaps »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #194
effingwewt wrote: post #193

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I love how you act like Huawei did nothing wrong. We don't just think they stole IPs, we don't just think Huawei are run by and for their government. The American economy is far from perfect but I seriously doubt that anyone at this point sees China's economy or level of self-built technology a threat. Sure, most people have a bias or a slant, and it often comes out in what we write, but do you honestly think anyone…

What IP did Huawei steal, specifically? Can you name it without googling? Scouts honor. It's not cool to accuse people of being Chinese shills, especially people with semi-obscure Greek names that they're very much in character of.

Afaik, without googling, they stole Cisco Ip which is even relevant here.

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Post by mistermann »

mistermann wrote: post #89
vkou wrote: post #69

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Name me one major US company that does not have close links to the US government. Name one. As for the IP angle, what evidence do you have that Huawei in particular built their 5G, or phones off IP theft? I postulate that as soon as China passes the US in development of new IP, the US will find no shortage of excuses to politically interfere in the market... Just like it is doing now, actually.

What do you mean by "close links"?

I'm loving the new and improved HN where even asking a simple straightforward question gets downvoted.

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Post by mistermann »

vkou wrote: post #154
mistermann wrote: post #89

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What do you mean by "close links"?

The same thing that people talking about the Chinese boogieman mean. A nebulous, ill-defined hand-waved general accusation, with no clear goalposts, that infers that there's an intersection between the company's past or present employees, and past or present employees, executives, or advisers in government, that the company at some point received government seed funding, investments, or government contracts, that sec…

Is this to say that there is literally no noteworthy difference in the relationships Chinese and American companies have with their respective governments?

I'm open to the idea, what evidence would you propose supports this?

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Post by yourbandsucks »

gpm wrote: post #199
yourbandsucks wrote: post #192

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Belt and road is just them being smart. We ran the Marshall plan once upon a time, now we just spend our fortune fighting wars in backwaters. You're gonna hate on the Chinese for doing the sort of things we should have been doing?

My comment wasn't about hating or not hating China. It was about western companies having rational economic concern over depending on companies and resources under China's control. The belt and road project in particular was not supposed to raise any negative emotions about China at all, it was meant to demonstrate that China does have an interest in expanding it's economic power, as indicated in my original comment.…

The vast majority of Chinese are wholly in support of their government and of their country being great the same way as the vast majority of Americans are wholly in support of ours. And they're apologists the same way we are.

As far as China/Chinese, we're the exception in terms of not being an ethnostate. France, Ireland, Israel.. the west is full of them. It's mostly just the places that the west carved up that aren't ethnostates.

Personally, I'm not in favor of anthropomorphizing nation-states, I think it obscures the fact that people and politics are behind everything.

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Post by mistermann »

scotty79 wrote: post #100
mistermann wrote: post #87

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> The US is shooting itself in the foot. This is one possible outcome. Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world. > Because the message this sends to the bigger world is: don't get too successful or we will kill your business. That seems like a bit of a biased interpretation. Do you believe the US is literally trying to kill Huawei, or might it be possi…

> Another is that China learns to be a bit less self-serving and more cooperative with the rest of the world. Because they have such a great example given by USA to follow.

Anything I've read suggests Chinese companies have much less restrictions on setting up operations in the US than vice versa, just one example being the mandatory Chinese partner situation, which is less strict than it used to be so they say. This somewhat common notion that they're "both the same" seems about as accurate as the also somewhat common notion that Chinese and American culture is the same.

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Post by ngcc_hk »

metildaa wrote: post #145
DevX101 wrote: post #56

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe. The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S.…

China already has an (uncompetitive) alternative stack, covering silicon to operating system. The problem is with building a competitive stack, Huawei can't get access to a 7nm fab in China, nor is their talent skilled in working with the limitations of said newer process, which kneecaps their ability to build chips competitive with Qualcomm and Apple. Huawei can build 7nm chips at TSMC, but due to their ARM license…

And also the software market (which others except apple and even that). Google play is off limit.

It is still the world is free trade to china but not other way round. With that strategy agreed by ours, china will win forever. QED.

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