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Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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One of the first times I stopped to help what appeared to be a person with a flat, I got a good long (loud) lecture about how just because she was a woman, she wasn't helpless... how men should just ... if we'd all just... call the police if I don't ... Honestly, I couldn't tell by sight at 5 feet is she was male or female. To say this response caught me by surprise is an understatement. Over the long haul, this expe…

I am European as well, and although I completely agree that American people are the best part of the American experience (INS officials being an exceptions, because they are not humans, of course), there was this one exception the first week I came first time in my life to Boston. I was rushing to the revolving door and I saw a lady obviously some kind of professional who was rushing to the same doors. I have opened…

I live in the Southern U.S. (Atlanta) and what I love the most about this place is how courteous people are. If I was walking towards a door and someone was there first, it would be uncommon for them not to hold it open, genders notwithstanding.

I am sorry you had this experience. There are always some people who take positive ideas to the other extreme and become exactly like the people they despise.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#202

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The sources of information you place value in purposely use that narrative in order to capture your attention long enough to sell their advertising partners' products. Fear is the most powerful attention mechanism available.

"The sources of information you place value in purposely use that narrative in order to capture your attention long enough to sell their advertising partners' products. Fear is the most powerful attention mechanism available." Haha. You mean documented evidence of crime and real people that have been robbed? You're right. I should just ignore it and chock it up to "fear". The story linked here tries to get me with sy…

What about the three hundred million others that didn't get robbed this week? You can take precautions, but to let anxiety consume you, or to change the way you treat people because of these news stories is simply a pitiful demonstration of weak-mindedness.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#203
Great story, and a very logical one, immigrants depend on other people (especially illegal immigrants) to get their troubles resolved so they know the value of helping others.

We habitually rely on institutions or the government to save our bacon, something an immigrant likely has no desire for interacting with.

About 5 years ago I planned to visit friends in Texas by car from a little place called Richards Landing in Ontario. That's a pretty long trip and even though we had two stops planned it still was going to take a lot of time on unfamiliar roads, plenty of the driving at night.

Somewhere in Iowa, about 45 minutes past Decorah a deer teleported out of nowhere in front of the car and we hit it hard enough that the deer was probably mortally wounded (it still managed to run off!) and the bonnet lock had crushed all the way in to the valve cover.

The car looked an absolute mess and it didn't look like we were going to reach our destination.

We limped in to some sleepy town (2:30 am), some gas station right off the highway wondering what to do next.

Before we could even ask the guy that ran the garage came out and said he's already called his brother in law and he was underway. We didn't really get what was going on but since we couldn't really go anywhere we just hung out, 5 minutes later a pick-up rolled in to the gas station with a sleepy looking guy in it. He jumped out, walked around our minivan, asked if it still moved or of we needed a tow. The car still ran (but made some pretty scary sounds) so he told us to follow him.

After a few minutes we got to an industrial area of the small town, he rolled up a huge garage door and we were welcomed to his car repair service.

In the space of 4 hours he took the front of the car apart, straightened out the pieces that had taken the brunt of the impact, fixed the valve cover with some of the most impressive epoxy that I've ever seen, found ways to get each and every one of the problems the car had to be fixed in a temporary but very serviceable way.

Little by little the car looked like it was going to be a reliable vehicle again and at the end the only tell-tales were the dent in the hood and two tie down straps running across it to hold it down (the lock had gone beyond repair).

So, when all was done we aked how much we owed him, the answer was simple: "Nothing. Could have happened to me just the same, and I'm sure you folks would have helped me out as much as you could too."

Whatever we did he refused payment, so in the end we bade our goodbyes and continued to Texas, from there to Fort Collins, Colorado and from there back to Canada, the 'temporary' fixes held as good as could be expected and when we turned the car in for a proper repair it was in a way a weird feeling because we'd gotten used to seeing the orange stripes across the hood :)

There are lots of nice people in this world.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#204

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Ah, so this is about faith in humanity, and whether the story is true or not does not matter -- as long as we believe. I can live with that. I have to say though, I've met plenty of non-poor, non-immigrant folk that like to help people out.

No, this has shit to do with "faith in humanity." All we can do is speculate about whether the story is true or not, and in practice, its veracity is completely irrelevant to our lives. You said " I really don't believe it ." What I understand that to mean is "I am as certain that story false as I am certain that I'll suffocate without air." To the extent that you are saying the story is certainly untrue, I am confus…

Like I said, I am sure there is some truth to this and people are nice and all, but I think the story was embellished. It's ok for me to believe this, it doesn't mean I'm a misanthrope or anything. :) The story certainly hit an emotional chord with everyone, as it was designed to do. People are really upset that I don't just believe it outright!

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#205

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No, this has shit to do with "faith in humanity." All we can do is speculate about whether the story is true or not, and in practice, its veracity is completely irrelevant to our lives. You said " I really don't believe it ." What I understand that to mean is "I am as certain that story false as I am certain that I'll suffocate without air." To the extent that you are saying the story is certainly untrue, I am confus…

Like I said, I am sure there is some truth to this and people are nice and all, but I think the story was embellished. It's ok for me to believe this, it doesn't mean I'm a misanthrope or anything. :) The story certainly hit an emotional chord with everyone, as it was designed to do. People are really upset that I don't just believe it outright!

You know, I almost feel like we are both saying "believe," but that we both mean something different.

When someone says "I really don't believe that," what I hear is, "I am certain that more of this story is false than true." Based on this post, though, that doesn't seem like what you're saying--it seems like you are just asserting that the story has just been modified to become a little bit "larger than life." For example, maybe in real life the tire iron didn't break, but in the Redditor's Magical-Love-Compassion-Universe, it snapped and the Mexican man's wife was on the road to get a new one just seconds later, still all smiles.

When it comes to stuff like that, I have what I would call "Schrodinger's belief" in those details. It's not that I believe or disbelieve; I simply wouldn't be surprised either way. Turns out the details were embellished? No shock there. Turns out it was patently true, through-and-through? Well that's just spiffy.

I was upset when I thought you were certain that the entire thing was fabricated. I didn't understand how anyone could come to possess a world-view that precluded the possibility of such a simple kindness. And, as we all know: Humans fear the unknown; Americans yell at it and accuse it of terrorism. So, to the extent that you were just saying "This seems embellished," I'm sorry I called you a spiritual terrorist.

When I re-read your OP now, I think I see what happened.

This was my thought process when I originally read it, and I bet the downvoters felt similarly:

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> That's a good story but a little over the top.

I can buy that. Obviously I'd like to believe it's 100% true, but everyone loves to embellish.

> If the author had dispensed with the $20 bill in the tamale the suspension of belief would have been a little more effective.

Wait, what? "Suspension of disbelief?" This guy doesn't believe the entire story... and it's because the Mexican wouldn't take the poster's money? That's crazy. I've turned down money after helping a stranger before; why wouldn't the good samaritan in the story? This guy is either crazy, misanthropic, racist, or a combination of all three. My disgust must be broadcast to the world... dear colkassad, who was foolish enough to be wrong on the internet, I downvote you with the fury of a thousand suns!

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Okay, maybe that last part was a little over the top. But the gist of it is: I think that when you explicated a potential embellishment that everyone else had ostensibly already accepted, they thought you were taking it one step further.

Or, I dunno. Maybe people were just pissed 'cause we're all optimistic hippies and you were harshing our rainbow love groove. The world may never know.

Thanks for continuing to explain yourself in the face of my opinionated ranting, by the way--I love Hacker News most of all for its tendency to nurture discussions like this.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#206
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Yep, except the "scratch" one has a slightly negative connotation of doing something just because the other one will do something in return. The Spanish phrase is a bit more positive.

Actually, the best part about the "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" is that it refers to whipping. It's an expression that comes from ship life, where shipmates would be tasked with whipping each other when they misbehaved. The idea was that if you whip me more softly (scratch my back), then when it's my turn to whip you I'll do the same. http://eifuku.co.uk/etymology.htm#You%20scratch%20my%20back%...

I notice this explanation seems to be commonly favoured by google, but it is unlikely.

Floggings in the Royal Navy were done by the bosun's mate, not a random crew member. The bosun and the lieutenants would watch carefully for favouritism. There was no rancour directed towards the mate because everyone knew he was just doing his job.

This (below) attributes the phrase to Montaign:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/6/messages/289.html

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#207

I try to give rides to hitchhikers when it's especially dark and lonely and cold out. I ride a motorcycle, and people usually aren't interested in a ride with no helmet unless it's really dark, lonely and cold. Used to help people on the side of the road a lot, but a childhood friend was hit by a truck & killed just recently while helping someone change a flat and I almost broke my ankle in the dark another night whe…

It is pretty dangerous helping out with flats. I know a girl that was struck by a truck in the head, and she was thrown 8-10 yards down the road by the impact. Miraculously, she's pretty okay.

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

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post #157

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I sure feels like summers in Phoenix are trying to kill you. Yeah, a few minutes research and I can't say I really agree with your hypothesis. According to the CDC, 1999-2003 there were 3,442 deaths due to excessive heat with Arizona having 1.7 deaths per 100,000 people. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5529a2.htm So yes, Phoenix is trying to kill you, too. So there must be some other difference that causes…

I think a lot of it has to do with roots. Phoenix is incredibly transient. 1.5 years ago, lots and lots of people had houses in my neighborhood, slept there, ate their food there, sent their kids to school there, etc. but nobody really considered it "home"; nobody really thought they lived there. A lot of them were transplants from California, out in Phoenix because it was cheaper "yeah, couple more years and I'll be…

I find your comment interesting, but I'd like to underline something : one beauty of the "Today you, tomorrow me" story is that it was a family of mexican fruit-pickers helping an american man. Not the same club. Not the same community. Helping anyway. That is simpler, better, and very noble. Superior hearts (if I may say, in the sense that they are good examples to follow in order to improve ourselves)

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#209
post #5

If you live in the UK you will surely know Dave Gorman [1]. He did a TV show called American Unchained [2] where he attempted to get across America without using chain stores. In that series I saw an America that I recognise from the Americans I know and have worked with (I've never visited America). Americans are some of the most friendly, optimistic and outgoing people in the known universe. In the show he experien…

Thank you, and may all fellow Americans take this advice to heart. When it all comes down to it, the greatness of any nation is only the sum total of the greatness of its citizens. If we lose that, we lose what's great about America.

> If we lose that, we lose what's great about America.

How can you not only prevent this loss but also export this into other countries? How can we spark this in other cultures? How can we get rid of "negative greatness"?

Re: Today you, tomorrow me

#210

Great story, and a very logical one, immigrants depend on other people (especially illegal immigrants) to get their troubles resolved so they know the value of helping others. We habitually rely on institutions or the government to save our bacon, something an immigrant likely has no desire for interacting with. About 5 years ago I planned to visit friends in Texas by car from a little place called Richards Landing i…

That's an amazing story, almost unbelievable. Thanks for sharing.
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