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Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by gridlockd »

ehsankia wrote: post #170
danielovichdk wrote: post #133

Funny how most of you doesn't seem to understand that it's not the banned people who are dangerous. It's Facebook. Stay off the platform and encourage others to do the same. Read news from respected news outlets and remember that there are always multiple sides to a story.

Why not both? They're dangerous in different ways, but just because Facebook has its set of issues doesn't mean those people should have a platform to spread their non-sense to the masses.

Can you explain to me how Milo is dangerous? I can see the case for Alex Jones, who spreads the kind of misinformation that leads certain individuals to "take action".

But Milo? He's basically a clown.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by threeseed »

vowelless wrote: post #116
rhizome wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is simply being “racist” sufficient justification for a ban It can be, if the site decides it is. Other places, it isn't!

It’s great that the site decides. It is exerting editorial control in this case. Hence, they should be liable for the speech that they do allow. Which means, they should be sueable if a user does slander on their platform, posts copyrightable material, etc.

You've jumped the shark here.

Facebook or any similar website can not be expected to vet every single piece of content. There is simply too much and mistakes will be made with automated processes. But what they can do is vet individuals who routinely post inappropriate conduct.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by DanBC »

naasking wrote: post #174
aeturnum wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I could connect Jones or Yiannopolous specifically to anything, just as I couldn't connect, say, Andrew Wakefield to any single specific case of parents forgoing vaxines. I also think the ideas that Jones and Yiannopolous promote are easily seen to be harmful. Yiannopolous has promoted violence against journalists and associated himself with white supremacist movements. Jones has promoted the harassment…

> Andrew Wakefield to any single specific case of parents forgoing vaxines. You're right, you can't because the anti-vaxx movement is as old as vaccines themselves. Wakefield's license was revoked for actually legitimate reasons. For his actions in falsifying data, not for expressing the idea that vaccines cause autism. > I also think the ideas that Jones and Yiannopolous promote are easily seen to be harmful. Yianno…

> Wakefield's license was revoked for actually legitimate reasons. For his actions in falsifying data, not for expressing the idea that vaccines cause autism.

It's useful to read the entire thing.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/25983372/FACTS-WWSM-280110-Final-...

But imagine a doctor that merely says "Don't get vaccines, they cause autism" but doesn't falsify any data. That doctor is probably going to be erased from the English register.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by latortuga »

naasking wrote: post #177
iscrewyou wrote: post #35

It’s only unfortunate that it took social networks this long to ban their toxic behavior and talk. These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. And to those saying, just because Facebook can, doesn’t mean they should. These people had the same freedom. Just because they can, they shouldn’t. But they chose hatred. And here we are. You reap what you sow. Facebook doesn’t owe them anything. E…

> These people did a lot of damage. A lot. Like what? If this damage is so prevalent then it should be easy to cite something specific.

Alex Jones popularized a propagated the myth of "Crisis Actors" and that Sandy Hook was a hoax. Trolls on the internet telling parents that their children aren't really dead, that they should exhume their bodies to prove that they really died, that they are being paid by the shadow government, that their grief looked too fake - all of this is real harm. We can talk about the doxing and the stalking and the harassment, but inflicting pain and suffering on people in a terrible situation is real harm too.

When you have a platform and you use it to abuse people, real damage is done.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by holler »

aeturnum wrote: post #132
naasking wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're dangerous in the same way that, say, anti-vax views are dangerous [3]. The views themselves won't hurt you or hurt me. They're 'just' opinions. However, at some point, allowing those views on your platform make you complicit in promoting pandemics. Are they? We have plenty of rigourous evidence supporting the dangers of anti-vaxx, but I've seen little data on Yiannopolous or Watson or even Alex Jones causin…

I don't think I could connect Jones or Yiannopolous specifically to anything, just as I couldn't connect, say, Andrew Wakefield to any single specific case of parents forgoing vaxines. I also think the ideas that Jones and Yiannopolous promote are easily seen to be harmful. Yiannopolous has promoted violence against journalists and associated himself with white supremacist movements. Jones has promoted the harassment…

is there evidence that Yiannopolus associated himself with white supremacists? because every piece of material I’ve seen has been about free-speech and social-justice, often questioning the said association created by media

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by iscrewyou »

naasking wrote: post #177
iscrewyou wrote: post #35

It’s only unfortunate that it took social networks this long to ban their toxic behavior and talk. These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. And to those saying, just because Facebook can, doesn’t mean they should. These people had the same freedom. Just because they can, they shouldn’t. But they chose hatred. And here we are. You reap what you sow. Facebook doesn’t owe them anything. E…

> These people did a lot of damage. A lot. Like what? If this damage is so prevalent then it should be easy to cite something specific.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Alex+Jones+sandy+hook

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by justinmchase »

ravenstine wrote: post #182
waer34tawer wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not fair of you to say I am being disingenuous. It is. You have heard of PJW. Enough to defend him here. So presumably you're aware of his views, which is what he's known for. > I really don't want to get into nitty gritty debate over people like PJW But that's what you've done. > I don't see how believing in the illuminati, chemtrails, soy causing feminization, or that 9/11 was an inside Job are dangerous i…

[flagged]

On the other hand, his video about Joe Biden and the situation with the kids and touching people was worth watching.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by lubesGordi »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #14
fopen64 wrote: post #7

Regrettable. Are they banning radical left types? Of course not.

Their criteria from the article: > The Facebook spokesperson said such factors include whether the person or organization has ever called for violence against individuals based on race, ethnicity, or national origin; whether the person has been identified with a hateful ideology; whether they use hate speech or slurs in their about section on their social media profiles; and whether they have had pages or groups remo…

The reason it's bogus is because there are TONS of people who talk about wanting to kill so called neo-nazis on facebook and they sure aren't getting kicked off. I have many friends who have said something to the effect within the past few years. To hate a hate group is completely acceptable.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by otvsh »

jonny_eh wrote: post #166
tjenkinsqs wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So will CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews, etc. finally be de-platformed for "Weapons of Mass Destruction". This has caused actual destruction in terms of trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's lives and the rise of ISIS with massive destruction in the middle east.

There's a difference between "making a mistake" and being an agent whose goal is to spread hate and misinformation.

WMD were definitely not just "a mistake", Jonathan.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by threeseed »

bartimus wrote: post #117
res0nat0r wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying racist stuff constantly but playing it off as "ironic" and wearing a suit doesn't make it less racist. Good, they should have kicked these guys off years ago.

Any examples of Milo making a racist remark? Afaik his criticism is mainly towards certain cultures. Not races.

Given that there is such a high correlation between religion, race and cultural background I don't think it's always possible to say that racism is fine but bigotry and xenophobia aren't.

They are all inextricably linked.

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