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Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

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Re: Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

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>Given this, it's not for us to make assumptions about what exists inside others or pronouncements about what others should think or do. This is basically just solipsism. The human condition is knowable, the concept of social science couldn't exist otherwise. There are numerous academic, clinical, epidemiological, and business disciplines that depend on doing exactly this. My personal background is in social science…

You can call it solipsism for your own reasons, but what have you done to ensure you're operating with adequate levels of humility, compassion and objectivity? It's not a clinical setting or a formal study involving willing participants. Invoking academic concepts to make unsolicited diagnoses of people's inner thoughts and motivations is not ethical, nor a good-faith form of discussion, and doing so can only bring a…

>You can call it solipsism for your own reasons, but what have you done to ensure you're operating with adequate levels of humility, compassion and objectivity?

Nice deflection. But why does it matter? You've successfully deflected a well known and documented sociological and political science fact into a matter of MY personal virtues.

Which is precisely the problem I've been taking about. Nobody cares about your personal virtue. The fact remains that racism has been a critical element driving right wing economic policy and this is a well known and documented fact that has been attested to by the people doing it (like Lee Atwater). This isn't really up for debate, and the fact that you're not bothering to debate it and retreating to ad hominem instead kind of makes that clear.

No we don't need people to undertake "deep inner work." We need to solve the actual societal problems. You need to do the "deep inner work" it takes to address problems that impact objective reality instead of the delicate feelings of people who don't want to confront the things they feel guilty over.

Re: Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

#202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Given this, it's not for us to make assumptions about what exists inside others or pronouncements about what others should think or do. This is basically just solipsism. The human condition is knowable, the concept of social science couldn't exist otherwise. There are numerous academic, clinical, epidemiological, and business disciplines that depend on doing exactly this. My personal background is in social science…

> The human condition is knowable, the concept of social science couldn't exist otherwise. The fields of social "science" are having an existential crisis. It's not science if you can't reproduce it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis > Frequently people act like being called racist is worse than actually perpetuating racism and that needs to change. Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as…

>Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as bad as perpetuating racism.

Is this satire? Are you sincerely claiming that actually doing something bad is worse than being told you're doing something bad?

This is child logic. This is logic that privileges your feelings over actual objective reality.

Re: Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

#203

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> The human condition is knowable, the concept of social science couldn't exist otherwise. The fields of social "science" are having an existential crisis. It's not science if you can't reproduce it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis > Frequently people act like being called racist is worse than actually perpetuating racism and that needs to change. Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as…

>Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as bad as perpetuating racism. Is this satire? Are you sincerely claiming that actually doing something bad is worse than being told you're doing something bad? This is child logic. This is logic that privileges your feelings over actual objective reality.

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Re: Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The human condition is knowable, the concept of social science couldn't exist otherwise. The fields of social "science" are having an existential crisis. It's not science if you can't reproduce it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis > Frequently people act like being called racist is worse than actually perpetuating racism and that needs to change. Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as…

>Calling someone a racist when they're not is just as bad as perpetuating racism. Is this satire? Are you sincerely claiming that actually doing something bad is worse than being told you're doing something bad? This is child logic. This is logic that privileges your feelings over actual objective reality.

Accusing people of racism when they're not racist is doing something bad. Just like racism is bad. Both are and neither help anything.

Re: Rich countries tend to have a bigger middle-class, except the USA

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Copays are pretty universally known to lead towards worse care, while making access inequality worse. (There is also no copay to go to the GP in the Netherlands) 40% of those Americans are not your “typical” American. Americans also on average take 10 days of vacation, while 24% of private industry workers don’t have any day of vacation, and have no job security because they can be fired at any time. They also have t…

Yet, co-payments and the like are quite common. (France has low co-pays, but quite substantial co-insurance requirements.) Indeed, a lower percentage of American healthcare expenditures come out-of-pocket than in a number of European countries: https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7... . As to wealth. I don't know what source you're looking at. This report shows the U.S. compares quite well to s…

You can't win a bad argument by just moving to an adjacent position (which is still wrong)
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