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Re: MIT cuts ties with Chinese tech firms Huawei, ZTE

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Post by coldtea »

jdsully wrote: post #192
Barrin92 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Chinese accusations are that illegal methods are used. Which is a major difference. It's really not until the accusations are actually proven to be true. Remember that Bloomberg story about Chinese spy chips in every device on the planet ? Whatever happened to that one? In the current dispute with Huawei, how many accusations are substantiated? Do the Japanese simply get the benefit of the doubt because we're ju…

It is notable that in prior episodes with Japan the accusations were never made.

The accusations were extremely common, in newspapers, pundits opinion pieces, politicians etc, in the era of Japan's rise (70s to 90s). From accusations of spying and government subsidies helping their corporations, to tarifs, threats, "taking our jobs", being unpatriotic to get Japanese cars, etc, down to diplomatic pressure (that succeeded) to enforce US-led changes to their currency, to make US exports more viable.

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Post by coldtea »

elefanten wrote: post #116
eastendguy wrote: post #109

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DJI is impressive - but is DJI leading because of AI? To me, that is mostly manufacturing. And this is indeed an area where "the west" is severly lacking. (Disclaimer: I am no drone expert, so this is a real question) The verge says the camera is "...somehow even better than Google’s Night Sight". That is nice - but not a "wide margin".

1) Huawei phone has more cameras and sensors 2) Google's version is ~6months old So yeah, some caveats there

I don't think Google couldn't put more cameras (or that the cameras make the real difference, this is an algorithmic ML matter -- expensive DSLRs with fast lenses and still can't do it as well).

Or that Huawei developed all this in the span of 6 months that Google put out theirs. They were developing it before Google released their version.

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Post by lexs »

elamje wrote: post #75
lexs wrote: post #27

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The US has been caught doing industrial espionage as well, more of a pest or cholera situation here.

Source?

Snowden [0] made very broad allegations against the NSA in that regard.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

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Post by agumonkey »

coldtea wrote: post #107

This is what a commerce war looks like. It's not about China being an oppressive state, spying, etc. The former didn't matter all these decades, and the latter goes on forever from all sides and nobody bats an eye. It's about China catching up to (and surpassing in some cases) US tech, and not being content to be the mere "factory of the US" but sell its own stuff. Like Korea, Taiwan, and Japan each did in their own…

it's both, you can tolerate a tiny infection, but when it starts to be able to wipe you, you take action

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Post by balabaster »

gnu8 wrote: post #177
balabaster wrote: post #138

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One would assume to the corporation donating the money. I wouldn't naturally assume it was to his Mom or "China." I think a fair number of corporations assume that if they're paying you to do research, that they're entitled to the research and any results you obtain from it. If I were sending data "back home" I wouldn't be sending it to "England." I'll be honest, I wouldn't have the first clue who to contact, unless…

The reason I asked the question is because sometimes there is a tendency to think of "China" as a monolithic entity and say "China" is spying on companies or putting bugs in the cellular equipment and so on. I've even caught myself doing that. But it's a lazy way of thinking because China is full of individuals pursuing their own goals. It is for the same reason that I asked whether the person copied the files to his…

Assuming they want the files for themselves is also a fair assessment. Being able to come back to data at a later point and trawl through it again to gain different or more nuanced understanding is useful. This is something I could imagine doing. I would definitely ask before I did it though. Just assuming you could is taking liberties somewhat.

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Post by CharlesColeman »

cf498 wrote: post #180
CharlesColeman wrote: post #149

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> I am not a Chinese dissident....So my personal consequences of Chinese surveillance are rather limited. I would recommend that you think of yourself as a dissident, including as a foreign dissident, even if you aren't actually one . I think that attitude can be a great source of moral guidance and perspective.

Which has nothing to do with the question of what would be preferable to European citizens, US surveillance or Chinese surveillance. The possible effects are rather clear cut, which is why I dont understand why anyone would views this differently. I understand that for a lot of people this becomes a moral question quickly, but thats not whats up to debate here. Its not about the justifications for surveillance progra…

> Which has nothing to do with the question of what would be preferable to European citizens, US surveillance or Chinese surveillance.

> Its not about the justifications for surveillance programs but their direct effect on people living in Europe.

That's a bizarre question and pretty self-centered. Also, as a European, if you're trying to somehow choose between one or the other, wouldn't you want to most strongly oppose the surveillance run by the regime that's least aligned to European/Western values?

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Post by cf498 »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #206
cf498 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which has nothing to do with the question of what would be preferable to European citizens, US surveillance or Chinese surveillance. The possible effects are rather clear cut, which is why I dont understand why anyone would views this differently. I understand that for a lot of people this becomes a moral question quickly, but thats not whats up to debate here. Its not about the justifications for surveillance progra…

> Which has nothing to do with the question of what would be preferable to European citizens, US surveillance or Chinese surveillance. > Its not about the justifications for surveillance programs but their direct effect on people living in Europe. That's a bizarre question and pretty self-centered. Also, as a European, if you're trying to somehow choose between one or the other, wouldn't you want to most strongly opp…

Its the post we are responding to though. And the notion, that if you could chose, Europeans would prefer to be spied on by the US is absurd. My posts are about nothing more. The threat analysis for most Europeans is rather straight forward on what will have a larger potential to have a larger negative impact on your live.

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Post by CharlesColeman »

cf498 wrote: post #207
CharlesColeman wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which has nothing to do with the question of what would be preferable to European citizens, US surveillance or Chinese surveillance. > Its not about the justifications for surveillance programs but their direct effect on people living in Europe. That's a bizarre question and pretty self-centered. Also, as a European, if you're trying to somehow choose between one or the other, wouldn't you want to most strongly opp…

Its the post we are responding to though. And the notion, that if you could chose, Europeans would prefer to be spied on by the US is absurd. My posts are about nothing more. The threat analysis for most Europeans is rather straight forward on what will have a larger potential to have a larger negative impact on your live.

> The threat analysis for most Europeans is rather straight forward on what will have a larger potential to have a larger negative impact on your live.

Please expound on that threat analysis.

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Post by OrgNet »

rfwhyte wrote: post #59
farresito wrote: post #6

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As an European, I would rather get spied on by the US than by China.

As a Canadian I would tend to agree. My take on things is that while both countries spy, the reasons they do it are what matters. Broadly speaking the US spies to prevent terrorism and violence, where as China spies to steal IP, control their international diaspora for political purposes at home and abroad, and to destabilize democracies. The CCP worldview is incredibly cynical.

The US says that it spies to prevent terrorism, violence, etc... but that is just a pretext to justify it. The main reason is to stay the richest.

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Post by Calib3r »

StudentStuff wrote: post #175
om3n wrote: post #143

Here's an anecdotal story. My team was interviewing engineers last year. We had a Chinese engineer come interview with us. She was in the States on a work visa, and her first job here was for a state government project. She was on a team building a web application that had public-facing and internal-facing UIs, and she was apparently working on both of these. Anyways, she comes in for the interview, and shortly after…

Sounds like a FOIA request should fix that "open source" problem. If its software developed by or for a governmental agency in the US, we as citizens have the right to access it as the public domain work it is. The recent ORCA fare enforcement app shenanigans with Sound Transit is a great example, even with a contracting company as a layer of indirection for developing said software doesn't escape said code's FOIAbil…

>ORCA fare enforcement app shenanigans with Sound Transit

Can you please provide a source for the details?

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