I like how 0-3 years experience has no salary.
Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
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Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#202Ben from Triplebyte here, I'm the engineer who built this tool from our offer data. The finding that most surprised me was that the mean salary for an engineer without a college degree is only $3k (~2%) less than for those with one; this gap is much smaller than in the labor market as a whole. One explanation is that CS really is a field where educational signaling doesn't (or at least needn't) matter as much as in o…
> The finding that most surprised me was that the mean salary for an engineer without a college degree is only $3k (~2%) less than for those with one; this gap is much smaller than in the labor market as a whole. The sample set of people using TripleByte is not going to be remotely representative of the market for developers as a whole. Candidates with stronger resumes are not going to be using third party recruiters…
This!
We are a small team of 5 expecting to double in 2019, all from experienced folks extracted from big companies. We budgeted $260 each and our investors didn't bat an eye.
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
250k engineers at FAANG sounds really high. Do you have a source for those numbers?
250k is really pushing it. I remember reading a Google earnings report that said they had 90k employees in total. Assuming Amazon/Microsoft to be larger and assuming Netflix to be smaller, we can take Google to be the average. Of that, even if 50% was engineering, we'd only have 250k FAANG engineers worldwide . In the US, I'd guesstimate ~100k.
Taking Google as the average is throwing off your numbers by an incredible amount. Amazon alone has more employees (around 540k as of the most recent reporting I can find) than you gave the entire group. Microsoft and Apple each account for more than Google as well.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should, but it looks like triplebyte was explicitly ignoring that because it would add too many dimensions to the graph and those benefits are hard to value. Stock options are not a liquid asset, and their value can change wildly and unpredictably. Ask all those programmers around in 2001 how much their options were worth.
At large, public companies, the stock options are basically as good as cash.
That would be stock, not stock options.
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#205Ben from Triplebyte here, I'm the engineer who built this tool from our offer data. The finding that most surprised me was that the mean salary for an engineer without a college degree is only $3k (~2%) less than for those with one; this gap is much smaller than in the labor market as a whole. One explanation is that CS really is a field where educational signaling doesn't (or at least needn't) matter as much as in o…
What do the medians look like?
You can hover over the graph and it'll show you the percentiles in increments of 1. The 50th percentile is the median.
I'm a little suspicious because the median and mean are equal for several of the larger subsets (years of experience). I clicked several combinations to filter by and the difference between the median and mean was always low-mid single digits.
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest thing I've noticed between those w/o a CS degree and those with a CS degree (at least from an elite college) is the first job opportunities. Coming from a school with a very established CS program does provide a huge advantage for your first job because companies actively seek you out and give you an advantage far more than you would get if you're the one putting yourself out there (w/o a degree).
yea, thats a double edged sword. i deal with dozens of engineers at a number of FAANG level companies and frankly the incompetence and lack of knowledge blows my mind every time. Not only about pretty basic tenants of how things work, most don't even know how their own internal systems work. MS is the exception to that rule.
Tenets.
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you ever need to provide a resume/CV? If so were you honest about your education? Did you just omit it?
I've had companies ask for high school transcripts. What the heck.
me too! got an offer, then the background check company flagged my claim to a high school diploma. they asked me to provide official transcripts. hr threw its hands up. this was in june. turns out the district was overwhelmed with the year end work of graduations and such, and just shut off the phones for a couple weeks. luckily i had family working for the district and got a suitable copy. absurd.
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
250k is really pushing it. I remember reading a Google earnings report that said they had 90k employees in total. Assuming Amazon/Microsoft to be larger and assuming Netflix to be smaller, we can take Google to be the average. Of that, even if 50% was engineering, we'd only have 250k FAANG engineers worldwide . In the US, I'd guesstimate ~100k.
Taking Google as the average is throwing off your numbers by an incredible amount. Amazon alone has more employees (around 540k as of the most recent reporting I can find) than you gave the entire group. Microsoft and Apple each account for more than Google as well.
Does the Amazon number include people working in logistics, delivery, and all that? I suspect that is huge portion of that number. Their engineering force is larger than Google's but not by much, I think (60-70k at best).
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#209I'm shocked that the salaries are so similar between Seattle and SF. Does this ring true for y'all?
Seattle's tech market isn't super diverse. It's Amazon and Microsoft dominated with less of the startup VC culture that SF has. So you see 95% of those salaries are just MS/AMZ
I mean... FB alone has something like 3k engineers in Seattle. Google is almost done with a campus that will house 10k in addition to their already large Fremont and Kirkland footprints. Zillow, Redfin, Expedia, and others all have HQs in the greater Seattle area. Unicorns like Stripe, Lyft, Uber, and Airbnb all have offices here.
You really think that, with all that, Amazon and Microsoft make up 95% of high salaried jobs in Seattle?
Re: Base salaries offered to software engineers in SF, NYC, and Seattle
#210You need to add housing costs to the calculation.