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Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by KallDrexx » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:34 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #99

twblalock wrote: post #50

Lots of jumping to conclusions going on in this thread, blaming the FAA, lobbyists, and politicians for being in the pocket of Boeing. Nobody knows why this plane crashed. The flight recorders have just been recovered and so far there has been nothing in the news about what was on them. The plane might be to blame. The airline or the pilots might be to blame, and by the way, that airline has a bad safety record. It m…

Nobody knows why this plane crashed. The flight recorders have just been recovered and so far there has been nothing in the news about what was on them. Yes. And the recorders have angle of attack data. We'll know within days if it's another AOA sensor problem. Southwest, the biggest US operator of 737 MAX aircraft, bought the "AOA Disagree" option on their aircraft, and recently added an AOA indicator. Many operator…

> Southwest, the biggest US operator of 737 MAX aircraft, bought the "AOA Disagree" option on their aircraft, and recently added an AOA indicator. Many operators didn't get that option; Lion Air didn't have it. If you have that, you get a warning that the flight control system is seeing bogus AOA data. It is somewhat less of a safety issue if you have the backup systems.

This seems like an important factor. I wonder if that's the reasoning behind the FAA not grounding the planes and assuming most US airlines have this system in place.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by adsadadsad » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:43 PM UTC

akuji1993 wrote: post #141

akuji1993 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not remembering correctly. TSA doesn't care what kind of water it is, you take 100ml or less with you. Also I'm not quite sure, you know what the word 'machine' means.

Nice edit to the original comment btw. Makes me look like a dumbass.

Ah sorry that makes two of us then, I would of replied earlier but I had to find a dictionary to lookup the word machine. Pot kettle black lmao

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by bluedino » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:44 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #196

But if you bring your own water then you wouldn't have the privilege of spending $4 for a single bottled water[0] at an airport vendor. Sounds like the common ground there is profits come before anything else. [0]: You could also bring your own empty water bottle and ask one of the bartenders to fill it up which is what I usually do and then drop them a $1 tip.

Why not just use one of the many water bottle filling stations?

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by Freak_NL » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:44 PM UTC

Grue3 wrote: post #147

raverbashing wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reasoning logic is the kind of strawman that we can expect from frequentists :) Both crashes have been explained and it's bleeding obvious that they do not relate to the plane in itself.

Have they been expained within days of the crash? Last I heard the exact circumstances of 370's crash is still unknown. 17 took several years for the official report to come out.

The plane was shot down on July 17th 2014. The day after several reputable Dutch newspapers (MH17 was a Dutch/Malaysian code share) already reported strong suspicions of the plane having been shot down.

One day.

Of course the official report took longer, but there was never any suspicion of technical failure (except on Russia Today).

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by gSrikar » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:54 PM UTC

Boeing suffered more than 10% drop in the stock price because of the recent crash and Lion Air (an Indonesian airline) plans to drop a $22 billion order. Boeing failed to address the numerous complaints and FAA is reluctant to ground the 737 Max 8 putting lives at risk.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by whack » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:57 PM UTC

How does the plane's safety record compare against that of motorcycles or sub-compact cars? Should we ban them as well, until they can attain safety parity?

My girlfriend has two intercontinental flights coming up in the next month. Flights that are very important to her life goals and fulfillment. I would hate to see a wrench thrown into those plans, because of a risk that she already takes on every weekend when she goes on a long drive.

More importantly, there are so many more pressing issues that we as a society need to be dealing with. Issues like fatalities caused by automobile accidents, inadequate healthcare coverage, medical errors and poor diet. Issues that are being starved of the attention they deserve because of our fixation on sensational deaths, as opposed to the banal but common ones https://outlookzen.com/2015/02/15/all-lives-matter/

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by nickjj » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 1:00 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #203

nickjj wrote: post #196

But if you bring your own water then you wouldn't have the privilege of spending $4 for a single bottled water[0] at an airport vendor. Sounds like the common ground there is profits come before anything else. [0]: You could also bring your own empty water bottle and ask one of the bartenders to fill it up which is what I usually do and then drop them a $1 tip.

Why not just use one of the many water bottle filling stations?

Not all airports have these.

Also if you're an inexperienced flyer and have a tight connection, you may not have the time to find one in an unfamiliar airport but a bar or restaurant is almost always in sight.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by rorykoehler » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 1:00 PM UTC

whack wrote: post #206

How does the plane's safety record compare against that of motorcycles or sub-compact cars? Should we ban them as well, until they can attain safety parity? My girlfriend has two intercontinental flights coming up in the next month. Flights that are very important to her life goals and fulfillment. I would hate to see a wrench thrown into those plans, because of a risk that she already takes on every weekend when she…

If cars are considered defective they are recalled. Happens often. Your comment is shockingly tone deaf.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by chipsa » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 1:00 PM UTC

sundayfunday wrote: post #49

Someone shared this on a different forums, it’s a recent NPR interview of a pilot for American Airlines. https://overcast.fm/+nmn7rqq0/06:04 It’s a short interview but in short, * Boeing left out info on the new flight control system in the pilots manual they trained with * the training to fly the new planes was 56 minutes of PowerPoint presentations on an iPad * he would not have known how to correct the system in t…

If he doesn't know how to correct for runaway stabilizer trim, then he probably should be decertified. It's a memory item: https://www.theairlinepilots.com/forumarchive/b737/b737memor... And the checklist is 4 items long. Item 3 disables MCAS.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Post by rsynnott » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 1:02 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #30

mikejb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safety is always a priority, but it's never the only one: There's also an economical factor in the equation. Other nations have less to lose by grounding these planes, leading to a different result between 'risking human lives' vs 'causing financial impact'. Finally, airplanes may have different configurations. I only skimmed some discussions and I'm not well versed in the subject so take what I say with a grain of s…

> Other nations have less to lose by grounding these planes By what measure?

This is a very new plane, and most deliveries so far have been in the US or China. In particular, it's easy for EASA to ground it; there are only a handful operating in Europe anyway. Impact of the China grounding would be larger, tho.