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Re: Tesla – Introducing V3 Supercharging

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Germany is building a wired one on A1 (5km length). Overhead contact line for trucks and looks ugly: http://www.thedrive.com/news/13448/germany-to-install-overhe...

I'm getting a wall: No Access The web page you were trying to visit is not accessible in your country. Lithuania (Europe) here. Is this GDPR thing or something more?

FWIW I can view the site in Israel.

The article has this Youtube video embedded, which shows the overhead contact lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8l9ieoIazc

Re: Tesla – Introducing V3 Supercharging

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There's no way you're only getting 20 amps to your house. A microwave will consume 8-12 amps. A desktop computer is around 3-5 amps. I don't know what my electric stove used when I still had one, but it needed a 40 amp breaker on its own.

The standard home contract in Italy is 3.3kW, at 230V it's less that 15 amps for a resistive load. The meter will allow you to go over the allotted power for some time before disconnecting you though (the amount of time is inversely proportional to how much your going over, and I don't think you can ever go over 4kW). Heating and stoves are gas based (ovens usually not though); going over the limit is not usual, the…

Here in Spain we're paying a lot for the power allotted to the contract, being around 30 to 40% of the bill.

So, I'm paying around 20€ (before taxes) just for having a 5.75kW contract, and then I have to add my kWh consumption. So reducing your consumption doesn't reflect that much on your bills.

Is that the same on Italy ?

Re: Tesla – Introducing V3 Supercharging

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One of the big benefits of electric in my view is that you can just let it charge overnight in your own garage. There's simply no need to charge on the way to work. (Yeah, this only works if you do have a garage, but that covers a lot of people.)

>There's simply no need to charge on the way to work Why not simply charge at work ? It makes little sense to charge on route vs at destination; unless your commute is longer than your battery range, but you would probably not have purchased an EV.

Yeah, in many ways that would make more sense. For one thing, the sun is likelier to shine during the day, so PV electricity can go into your car.

Unfortunately, the practical reality is that at home you're likely to have a garage where you can charge (though I'm of course aware that many people don't!) while at work your car is likely to be in a large parking lot without outlets.

The logical conclusion is that we should invest in widespread outlet infrastructure in pretty much all parking lots. We're just not there yet, which is why I phrased my first comment in the way I did.

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I think it's more about trying to catch up to the CCS charging networks which already have 350 kW chargers (Ionity, Electrify America, EVgo, FastNed). It'd be better if Tesla adopted the CCS standard for all their cars. The European version of the Model 3 has a CCS plug so it's already the case that some Teslas have it. I can fuel my ICE car at any fueling station. I should be able to charge my electric car at any ch…

How many actual 350kW chargers actually exist? And do any actual cars actually use them?

Don't know how many there are, but CCS charging networks have been installing 350 kW chargers for over a year now so I put the figure at "many":

https://fastned.nl/en/blog/post/fastned-onthult-nieuwe-gener...

All cars can use the 350 kW chargers to charge at the car's maximum charge rate (whatever that is for the particular car). The Porsche Taycan has an 800 volt battery system and can make full use of a 350 kW charger. The Taycan will be released at the end of this year. Here are Porsche's specs for the Taycan:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-taycan-miss...

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I think it's more about trying to catch up to the CCS charging networks which already have 350 kW chargers (Ionity, Electrify America, EVgo, FastNed). It'd be better if Tesla adopted the CCS standard for all their cars. The European version of the Model 3 has a CCS plug so it's already the case that some Teslas have it. I can fuel my ICE car at any fueling station. I should be able to charge my electric car at any ch…

I'm not opposed to standardization, but the CCS connector is big and ugly. I'm kind of glad Tesla doesn't use it here in the US.

first world problem : "UGH my charging connector is big and ugly!" hahaha

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0 cars currently shipping can handle 350kw charging. Delivering lot’s of power is fairly strait forward, designing cars to safely handle that is much harder. Further, as infrastructure that needs to work, the 1MW of power supplying these chargers is the more important upgrade as charging multiple cars was already power limited.

250kw is not that much higher than 175kw - https://electrek.co/2018/12/18/audi-e-tron-155-kw-fast-charg...

I don’t know if Tesla’s can do 250kw but that car was maxing out at 155kw charging and averaging below that. Which is my point, getting an affordable car well past 250kw charging is going to be difficult.

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Whoa. That is a lot of efficiency with EVs. But then, that electricity, when coming from a coal powered plant means that the overall "earth to wheels" energy efficiency is somewhere around 30%.

In the USA, outside of West Virginia, the grid tends to be much more low-carbon — at least biased towards natural gas in most places, but with a fair amount of nuclear even in states that claim not to believe in clean energy.

Yeah, US electrical grid generation is now only 28% coal, and that is continuing to fall.

Re: Tesla – Introducing V3 Supercharging

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>There's simply no need to charge on the way to work Why not simply charge at work ? It makes little sense to charge on route vs at destination; unless your commute is longer than your battery range, but you would probably not have purchased an EV.

Yeah, in many ways that would make more sense. For one thing, the sun is likelier to shine during the day, so PV electricity can go into your car. Unfortunately, the practical reality is that at home you're likely to have a garage where you can charge (though I'm of course aware that many people don't!) while at work your car is likely to be in a large parking lot without outlets. The logical conclusion is that we sh…

Body panels made of solar-cells would be nice, combined with charging from stations or at home when there is not enough sun. Is probably not doable with current technology, but maybe some day

Re: Tesla – Introducing V3 Supercharging

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Stupid question, but who pays for the electricity at supercharger stations?

Typically, the person charging the car (well, they're paying Tesla, then Tesla pays for the electricity). Very few Tesla owners actually have free supercharging these days.
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