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Re: Gun laws where guns take the most lives

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Post by dang » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #181

dang wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News, and follow the site guidelines? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Are they wrong, though? I got slammed with a bunch of downvotes all at once, and later a bunch of upvotes, and other comments on the page seem to track similarly. You don't think that's maybe caused by a surge of bias?

Even assuming that's true, (a) that doesn't make a comment valuable, and (b) the GP way overinterpreted it ("Lots of people owning guns") in the flamewar style.

Re: Gun laws where guns take the most lives

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Post by flattone » Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 9:10 PM UTC

hellllllllooo wrote: post #144

jostmey wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that guns should be legal (I'm also not saying they should be illegal ). What is important is to focus on the root issues, and I don't believe that the root issues are "guns".

This is a false dichotomy. Why do you have to focus on the "root issue"? What's wrong with dealing with a part of the problem? No complex problems get dealt with as a whole. They get broken in to pieces and dealt with using the tools available. Guns are clearly a part of the problem so let's do something about them while also doing something about other social issues.

is this true?

I feel like by dealing with a part of the problem you first have an understanding of the system as a whole so that you can isolate the root cause aka the part of the problem it's not route in terms of the base or foundation of a problem it's root in terms of dealing with the actual causal issue

Re: Gun laws where guns take the most lives

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Post by hellllllllooo » Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 9:32 PM UTC

flattone wrote: post #202

hellllllllooo wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a false dichotomy. Why do you have to focus on the "root issue"? What's wrong with dealing with a part of the problem? No complex problems get dealt with as a whole. They get broken in to pieces and dealt with using the tools available. Guns are clearly a part of the problem so let's do something about them while also doing something about other social issues.

is this true? I feel like by dealing with a part of the problem you first have an understanding of the system as a whole so that you can isolate the root cause aka the part of the problem it's not route in terms of the base or foundation of a problem it's root in terms of dealing with the actual causal issue

Policing and laws often treat symptoms and not the "root" cause. Financial laws addressing fraud don't try and solve the underlying human greed yet they are valuable in trying to the protect victims of fraud.

Saying we can only solve fraud by addressing the underlying socitial reasons driving people to commit fraud would be crazy. The symptoms can be dealt with it can and make a difference while also working on other causal factors.

It doesn't have to deal directly with the "causal issue". It just has to reduce the negative effect.

Re: Gun laws where guns take the most lives

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Post by Sophistifunk » Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 11:03 PM UTC

Insanity wrote: post #38

Sophistifunk wrote: post #14

These are US murders, they've just been outsourced to make the war on drugs look good.

Care to explain?

They're almost entirely caused by prohibition of, and demand for, coke and weed in the US, and the fact that these prohibitions have been forced on its neighbours basically at gunpoint in wasted efforts to stop citizens from being able to feel good by taking something instead of being productive.