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Is Elon Musk trying to commit ‘suicide by SEC’ by taunting the agency?

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Re: Is Elon Musk trying to commit ‘suicide by SEC’ by taunting the agency?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

mandeepj wrote: post #119
travisoneill1 wrote: post #47

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> If EV's do take off, it's likely to be the established car manufacturers who are good at making cars at scale who eventually capitalize on the opportunity. This is what I used to think, but every year the "Tesla killers" fail to kill, or even wound. I never even hear about the other EV's by themselves, only as the competition to Tesla. Anybody who watches the news would have known that the Model 3 was a colossal fa…

Musk has already promised a $25k Model 3 in 3 years. https://electrek.co/2018/08/17/tesla-cheaper-25000-electric-...

I admit that I'm a huge Tesla fanboy, but I don't trust a single promise that Musk makes.

A $25k Model 3 isn't happening in 3 years, considering the Model 3 has been out for over a year now and the $35k model is nowhere in sight.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

vvillena wrote: post #157
appsonify wrote: post #36

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I agree, that Musk is hiding something, one that would seriously hamper his reputation. I think it might have to do something with the Solar City acquisition. He doesn't want to admit he fucked up and failed because it would cast doubt on all his other half-baked ideas. Tesla will definitely feel the pressure from other car manufacturers, but so far it has nothing much to worry about as the only really viable game ch…

It's a shame there's no love for small cars in America. Renault-Nissan applied the lessons learned with the Leaf to a subcompact, the Renault Zoe, and it's a great car.

I love my Subaru BRZ!

I want a Tesla Roadster for my next car, but that $200k price tag is hard to swallow. If they could produce a $120k model with a 300 mile range and 0-60 in around 3 seconds rather than a 620 mile range with 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, I'd buy it.

But really if anybody else came up with a small, sporty, EV coupe, I'd consider it. The Model S P100D is a quick car, but way too big. Even the smaller Model 3 is bigger than what I'd like.

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Post by Balgair »

krick wrote: post #70

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm actually buying the obliviousness of his behavior. I don't really believe in Tesla and would gladly buy the whole "suicide by SEC" thing, but reading what actually happened, this doesn't really sound like a big deal. Musk has been having emotional moments for a long time now, at this point it's really easy for me to just shrug off this as "he's always been like this". The last ten years of Mu…

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor

Elon is a human just like all of us. Look at his antics with twitter, Joe Rogan, and PewDiePie. It's not 4-D chess, it's just a normal person acting like a normal person, ie: stupid at times.

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Post by appsonify »

vvillena wrote: post #157
appsonify wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, that Musk is hiding something, one that would seriously hamper his reputation. I think it might have to do something with the Solar City acquisition. He doesn't want to admit he fucked up and failed because it would cast doubt on all his other half-baked ideas. Tesla will definitely feel the pressure from other car manufacturers, but so far it has nothing much to worry about as the only really viable game ch…

It's a shame there's no love for small cars in America. Renault-Nissan applied the lessons learned with the Leaf to a subcompact, the Renault Zoe, and it's a great car.

You mean those small Japanese Kei cars? They are really cute.

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

DennisP wrote: post #163
HeadsUpHigh wrote: post #121

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Musk is basing his entire funding plans for Mars colonisation in Tesla succeeding. Read his new CEO contract, it's another moon shot. He doesn't intend to step down any time soon. Apparently a new wave of shorts FUD has started to spread now which probably means Tesla has something new to unveil and people are preparing for the next round of hate. Let's see how the semi and the Y turn out.

The funding plan for Mars is based on the SpaceX satellite internet business. The only way Tesla can contribute is if Musk donates his personal shares or compensation, unless somehow he can make a Mars trip profitable for the other Tesla shareholders.

>The only way Tesla can contribute is if Musk donates his personal shares or compensation

Why donate? He can just slowly sell shares just like Bezos does with Amazon. And Starlink is something Musk can't fun alone.

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Post by sonnyblarney »

anth_anm wrote: post #185
sonnyblarney wrote: post #118

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It's easy of you consider he's just promoting facts as any normal CEO would. He's not yet used to the idea he has to be hyper specific with some data. He's a showman, a salesperson, he's always going to err on the positive. Constantly pitching, selling. It's the SEC etc. that care about very specific details that could affect the company. So while you're right - as a CEO has has 'no excuse' - the fact he would do it…

He's been a CEO for 9 years and the settlement didn't say be more specific, it said get your tweets approved.

Yeah, you are right. I'm not defending him, just trying to explain it.

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Post by pbreit »

ramphastidae wrote: post #74
pbreit wrote: post #68

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That exchange is exactly what he agreed to: only tweets that could be material needed pre-approval.

The FDA should only inspect contaminated meat.

Exactly. The FDA (USDA, actually) obviously does not approve each piece of meat for sale.

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Post by tuxxy »

lisper wrote: post #105
tuxxy wrote: post #102

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GM is stopping Bolt production this year. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120090_gm-to-kill-chev...

That's the Volt, not the Bolt. Completely different car. The Volt is a plug-in hybrid. The Bolt is all-electric.

Ah, I didn't see the difference between _v_olt and _b_olt.

I'd like to blame terrible marketing, but I should've paid closer attention.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

thanatropism wrote: post #12
Gibbon1 wrote: post #2

Knowing nothing but chatter on the internet I'd say Musk goes through manic episodes.

Plausible. (Source: I go through manic episodes.)

Yeah I have three friends that suffered from episodes of mania. I just remember talking to a friend when Mel Gibson was in the news for going off the rails, she said it was like our other friend going off. Very disquieting since that friend had recently thrown himself in front of a train.

Take care of yourself.

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Post by krick »

Balgair wrote: post #203
krick wrote: post #70

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm actually buying the obliviousness of his behavior. I don't really believe in Tesla and would gladly buy the whole "suicide by SEC" thing, but reading what actually happened, this doesn't really sound like a big deal. Musk has been having emotional moments for a long time now, at this point it's really easy for me to just shrug off this as "he's always been like this". The last ten years of Mu…

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's razor Elon is a human just like all of us. Look at his antics with twitter, Joe Rogan, and PewDiePie. It's not 4-D chess, it's just a normal person acting like a normal person, ie: stupid at times.

I actually wanted to start with a remark that "there's nothing more stupid than bringing up the whole Hanlon's razor thing, but this time I would agree with that"... So, yeah. Unlike "Occam's razor", there's absolutely nothing to justify "Hanlon's razor" as being an obviously more useful proposition than it's exact opposite. In fact, I would say it's harmful and annoying, because it contains implicit assumption that you (/me/the speaker) is smarter than whoever we are talking about. Which is arrogant and quite often is not the case. I wish people would stop quoting that.
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