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Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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Spotify. These days it's so hard to organise or browse your own music collection.

I keep hearing this but I find Google Play Music to be way, way worse.

So because Google Play Music is worse at X, that means Spotify's X can't be bad?

Or are you saying the bar is: "as long as there's something worse"

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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One point: >Are there things my users really don’t need to see right now? If you don’t know, ask! ASK! ASK! ASK! For the love of god please ask your users. I worked for a company with a big clunky enterprise app. It got redesigned numerous times and rolled out with big fanfare. Nobody who used for any significant amount of time was involved in any of the redesigns. It was horrible every time with numerous changes jus…

We have this issue now. Inevitably when the actual users of the app report issues with this or that, the answer from the dev team is almost always, "Works as designed".

Yes, we know, THE DESIGN IS BROKEN.

And then, nothing. New features come out though, most of which aren't needed or deprecate features that we actually like. So I'm sure some Project Manager is being paid handsomely.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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The author suggests Google’s “Material” but in my experience, Google has it wrong compared to Apple’s Human Interface Guidelines. For example, Google hides stuff behind icons with no text. Unless you already know the UI, you are hunting around for what you need (remember screensharing on Google Hangouts?) On Apple’s apps, icons always come with a text label and rarely are things hidden behind unnamed icons. Google also seems to be changing UI constantly. Material Design is terrible — it’s the very essence of the problems being mentioned in this article. Apple’s Human Interface Guidelines also address accessibility far better than Material design. Maybe it’s me, but it does feel like there are camps when it comes to UI: the Material Design side and those that care about usability for people that don’t spend their time in the Googleverse.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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post #125

Re: Everyone agreed it needed modernization—it looked like it was from the early 2000s, after all! My goodness, Flintones even. The fashion chase is becoming obsessive and wasteful. As I've ranted about many times on HN, UI faddism is a huge time and resource drain and the industry should just say no or see a therapist. It sounds strange, but desktop UI's around 2000 pretty much reached the pinnacle of business UI's.…

Also remember: you MUST kill any Java-based enterprise app (Java is old and not modern) and replace the backend with Node.js. Then you can reuse all your server code in the frontend!

And remember to use Angular or React... actually, now you must use Vue. And create polyfills for your webpacks (and vice versa).

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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post #72

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What made you switch to development?

The industry I worked in was networking (data center products, routers for ISPs, etc), but technical support. I did that for 20 years. Even though it was pretty high end stuff.... everyone hates technical support and I found that generally companies eventually devalue it as time goes on. I got tired of that system. I got paid really well but just got tired of seeing the atmosphere at company after company get more ne…

Sounds sadly typical. I wonder how many fields there are where "everyone who's actually good at field X eventually goes into related field Y instead because it's higher paying, more respected, better atmosphere, etc".

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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> Users absolutely hated the new system. I feel like this is a universal absolute, doubly so when it comes to enterprise apps (the lone exception being when we switched from Lotus Notes to Gmail -- then only half the company hated the change). I would've liked to know how long the changes were in place and how it affected productivity metrics, especially the amount of training time spent on new users. As is, the arti…

>> Just like you wouldn’t appreciate a dictionary with only 10 words per page (so many pages to flip through!)

> This also makes me question the veracity of the article.

Personally I thought the opposite, I find it a fantastic quote from the article as it exactly describes the problem:

Things that used to take a single click taking multiple clicks with slow animations between them because "design" and information not anymore visible on one page even though the human visual system is very well optimized to deal with that vs waiting for multiple screens.

Re: Whitespace killed an enterprise app

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Yes exactly. CL is probably my favorite website on the internet, for the sheer reason that they have virtually not changed at all since they first launched over 10 years ago. It's fairly incredible. I can't think of another website that has done that.

CL is only ten years old? I always figured it was from the 90s — maybe a bias originating from the design.

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